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I'm not sure why everyone is hating on this car so much. Yes it's overstyled, yes it's ugly, yes it's in your face, but it's also a $30k hot hatch that Honda is betting will appeal to the younger crowd. A crowd you may have noticed that was never bit by the car bug like a lot of us were. I personally wouldn't buy one, but at 43 years old I'm not the demographic they are after. I hope this car sells extremely well to the 30 and under crowd, capturing a whole new generation of car enthusiasts that are on the verge of killing off the performance car as we know it. With cars like this, the Focus, the Subie STi, there's hopes manufacturers will realize that entry level performance cars are what's needed to hook the consumer on fun, performance oriented, cars and keep catering to them as they grow up and into cars like our M cars. It's a win-win for everyone! Go Honda!
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Honda only recently started turbo charging their cars...
Just in time for autonomous Electric vehicles The under 30 crowd will be doing the either uber or the monthly subscriptions... assuming these kids can pay for anything after their 200-300k college loans. Edit: sorry, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today |
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I've never heard that one either, although I know the UK likes to use "boy racer."
At least that one isn't outwardly terrible to a whole race... although I guess you could argue it's "ageist..."
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The civic that got the ring time wasn't stock. They said the components added to the car "didn't affect" the time. I believe one of the things was a roll cage bar which they claimed "it didn't stiffen the chassis." I'd take that time they got with a grain of salt. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong though. I'm 99% sure of this.
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Apparently it must be very limiting to your vocabulary. Just because a term is used by many, Doesn't make it any less of a slur. SHRED HATE Bro, don't cling to silly reasons to perpetuate. |
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my very first car was a Prelude...enjoyed that car...wasn't particularly fast, but it was fun to drive...then had a CRX (91), Civic si (98) and then a limited run Type R (2001 Integra version). Couldn't park that car anywhere without wondering if I would come back and find an empty spot...i think after 2 years it had something like an 80% theft rate out of sold units...but what a car...screaming redline at 8500rpm...handling like it was on rails...loved that car. Got older, earned more $...switched from Japanese to German and haven't seen the need to go back. Nothing wrong with Japanese cars.
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I don't think it's a case of broad Japan-bashing. This forum has some well-educated and experienced members who know their history, and they appreciate how Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Datsun etc. changed the automotive landscape. Without the efficiency, refinement and QC punches to the mouth that these companies dealt to the big 3 in the late '70s, early '80s, who knows how badly and for how long the American auto industry would have gone off the rails. The Honda Civic and Accord (not to mention the Toyota Celica, Supra and Corolla and Datsun 240) changed everything, and forced US manufacturers to take a long hard look in the mirror.
I think it's more a case of design struggle, and it's not just the Civic R. There is such a thing as going too far as Lexus has discovered: https://jalopnik.com/is-the-spindle-...les-1822300581 Look at the new Toyota Avalon, of all cars. I personally think it's ok, but I wouldn't be shocked if in an attempt to lower their average buyer age they end up with everyone saying the front of the car looks like a baleen whale. And I know exactly where DETRoadster is coming from - I appreciate that Honda is at least trying, and I hope they continue to push the envelope. But with this design...I would love to have watched Honda's focus groups to see which demographic they studied and how they reacted. I'm not a "millenial", so you guys tell me, is this the car that millenials told Honda they really wanted? |
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I've got nothing against Hondas, have owned a couple. Good cars.
The Type R isn't my cup of tea, so I won't buy one. I'm sure those that do will like it. Has anyone seen what dealers are selling them for? I know the MSRP is $34k. I stopped in to a local dealer that had one in the showroom. Big sign on the windshield read "Not for Sale". I asked about having the newest hot Civic in a showroom & not being available. Salesman told me they are hard to get & they need to keep one for folks to see... and that they had yet to figure out the 'market adjustment'. |
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The PS4S tires are no match for the R compounds that Honda used for the 'ring time. Same goes for the Alfa QV. These manufacturers are stacking the deck using semi-slick rubber and bragging about it. If these two cars were baseball players, they probably wouldn't be voted into the MLB Hall of Fame.
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