[Gtrain]

Originally Posted by Makman

I dont understand this following part, can some1 pls explain?

"The M2 should be more stable at the limit than the 1M. This was due to them not having enough time to calibrate based on using a turbo motor."

thanks!

Originally Posted by PackPride85

From the article: "The 1M rode like it had ants in its pants, and you caught its oversteer more with punches than steering inputs. I ask if that feistiness was intentional, or a by-product of the M melting pot. ‘By-product,’ confirms Isenberg. ‘We were still learning with the turbocharged engine. For the M2, the ride is much more compliant, and it’s not so tricky at the limit."

I think this is more in reference of how the car feels and drives. When you drive the 1M, you really need to know the limits to drive it faster because it is less forgiving and gives you less confidence when you drive because you need to provide the exact inputs for it to respond the way you want. Versus, if you were to drive the M3/M4, it is more forgiving for your mistakes. It will interpret what you want it to do and do it very well which in turn builds confidence in you driving the vehicle and how it feels.

[Steveo]

It's an M car but no M buttons?! WTF!

This should have been the 2M not a M car.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

Not really. To me this car is the "1M, part 2" so the comparison is really a crucial part of the evaluation of the M2. It's funny to me how people are trying to separate the M2 from the 1M but in reality this is an attempt to recreate the 1M.

I think the M2 is just about the only car in the BMW lineup worth considering so i appreciate it; but i'm wondering HOW the M2 is selling for cheaper than the 1M in the australian market and what costcutting BMW have done to keep the price down here.

I don't need to find 1M advantages....there are already many :P

Agree that M2 is "1M part 2" to an extent. I believe I've called it an evolution of 1M.

And by evolution, we all know M2 performance wise is expected to better then the 1M in every way. Hence the term evolution

Looks are subjective but personally I never wanted a 1M because the only part I find it attractive is the rear.

IMO, the only things the 1M will have going for it after the M2,
1.Old school steering + raw handling
2.Still a somewhat high resale value caused mainly by the limited production
(not that any real enthusiast should care, we buy cars to drive not to collect with low miles and sell later, and especially not your car with 100k miles)
3.The interesting 1M development story as a BMW special

But why am I even replying? we all know there is no way in hell you will sell your car or ever think that there is a car out there that's better than it.
The day you actually think another car is better is the day you sell your 1M and start to state your new car is the best car ever

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Francis///M

Agree that M2 is "1M part 2" to an extent. I believe I've called it an evolution of 1M.

IMO, the only things the 1M will have going for it after the M2,
1.Old school steering
2.Still a somewhat high resale value caused mainly by the limited production
(not that any real enthusiast should care, we buy cars to drive not to collect with low miles and sell later, and especially not your car with 100k miles)
3.The interesting 1M development story as a BMW special

But why am I even replying? we all know there is no way in hell you will sell your car or ever think that there is a car out there that's better than it.

About 20 years ago.... I know a lot of people on BMW forums said things like..


" I suppose the only thing the E30 M3 has going for it

1. Old school steering
2. Still a somewhat high resale value caused mainly by the limited production
3. The interesting E30 M3 racing development story as a BMW homologation special "

[hyperzulu]

The M2 has a larger wheelbase and track than the 1M. I don't see why it's a surprise that it would be a bit more stable and predictable at higher speeds.

[marcva]

Isn't it nice that they have distinct enough personalities that we care?

I guess a have an "M" button in my e36...asc? Plus pulling the abs fuse? Not quite a push button affair. E30 was even worse.

[dharo1]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

A couple of more notes:
-The M2 should be more stable at the limit than the 1M. This was due to them not having enough time to calibrate based on using a turbo motor.
-One of the guys they interviewed said he prefers the M2 over the M4 bc its smaller and could potentially be faster through a slalom.

This car is very much an M4 under the skin from what they said. Just not getting the twin turbo, fancy gadgets, or weight reduction.

I interpreted the lack of CF parts as being not worth the cost for low volume production car when they could save decent weight by removing sound material.

Twin turbo?

Edit: misread..NOT getting twin turbo, etc....

However, I still think it is far from being like a M4.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Steveo

It's an M car but no M buttons?! WTF!

This should have been the 2M not a M car.

Hint: the 1M is an M car. The M2 is also an M car.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by dharo1

I still think it is far from being like a M4.

Based on what driving experience (which is what the engineers were referencing)?

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

About 20 years ago.... I know a lot of people on BMW forums said things like..


" I suppose the only thing the E30 M3 has going for it

1. Old school steering
2. Still a somewhat high resale value caused mainly by the limited production
3. The interesting E30 M3 racing development story as a BMW homologation special "

And maybe in another 20 years people would say something similar about the M2.

Don't get me wrong, the whole point is not that the 1M is not an amazing car because it really is.
It's about how certain people believe what they currently drive is the best car ever and ever.

[shivaswrath]

Is this a limited production run? I thought they said they'd build indefinitely...

[Yeineken]

Why wouldn't they just make the body 10mm wider to accommodate the wheels?

[philisme]

After my M235i, I was considering buying a brand new M2. I was in the process of choosing the specs even if I was disappointed with the non-M seats and the no-weight reduction.

But now I'm learning that it's is the same intercooler as the M235i, which was already too small...
And there are no M buttons... I find them really convenient on the M3/M4.

So I think I'll go for a low mileage used Sakhir orange M3/M4. Because of the seats, the weight reducing stuffs, M-buttons, drivelogic, and the +500hp engine potential !

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Is this a limited production run? I thought they said they'd build indefinitely...

I've never understood why a car is better if it's a limited production ?*
Take a very good and limited car. And then, produce it undefinitely. Does that make the car "less good" ?
*(except on the "investment" point of vue).

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by philisme

After my M235i, I was considering buying a brand new M2. I was in the process of choosing the specs even if I was disappointed with the non-M seats and the no-weight reduction.

But now I'm learning that it's is the same intercooler as the M235i, which was already too small...
And there are no M buttons... I find them really convenient on the M3/M4.

So I think I'll go for a low mileage used Sakhir orange M3/M4. Because of the seats, the weight reducing stuffs, M-buttons, drivelogic, and the +500hp engine potential !



I've never understood why a car is better if it's a limited production ?*
Take a very good and limited car. And then, produce it undefinitely. Does that make the car "less good" ?
*(except on the "investment" point of vue).

What makes you think its too small?

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Is this a limited production run? I thought they said they'd build indefinitely...

The article says the M2 will be product in "uncapped numbers."

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by swagon

You've reached your article limit

and yet I had not read anything.

Agreed about the Fahrerlebnisschalter. There should be just an option in iDrive to change the DCT shift times. It can't be difficult to program it into the system.

It says that the SPORT mode is adjustable in the M2 manual but it doesn't say what options that are available.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

It says that the SPORT mode is adjustable in the M2 manual but it doesn't say what options that are available.

It might refer to the Comfort, Sport, Sport+ adjustment for throttle/gearbox/steering maps. Although you can't tinker with any of it, just go between modes.

EDIT: Just realized you were referring specifically to SPORT mode. Lets hope so.

[philisme]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

What makes you think its too small?

The intake air temperature sensor of my M235i

Even stock it's already high. Tuned to 380hp it's even worst. Installing a bigger intercooler offers a 15-20hp power increase without doing anything else. That means the stock intercooler is too small.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

It might refer to the Comfort, Sport, Sport+ adjustment for throttle/gearbox/steering maps. Although you can't tinker with any of it, just go between modes.

EDIT: Just realized you were referring specifically to SPORT mode. Lets hope so.

Exactly, is specifically said that the SPORT mode was adjustable in the settings. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

The M2 is not 1M Part 2. M2 differences: chassis, suspension, engine and drivetrain, steering, brakes and completely different styling.

The M2 compares better to M4 and M235 as it appears it is a derivative of F8x M3/4 and M235 based on the parts and s/w used.

I would say the 1M was a derivative of E9x 335/M3.

i have no clue how to understand this.

M2 comes with a 235i body and M4 components.

1M comes with a 135i body and M3 components.

The 2 series is the new 1 series (part 2). The M3/4 is still the M3 (part 5). How does what you say make any sense?!

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

Why wouldn't they just make the body 10mm wider to accommodate the wheels?

10mm wider and the M2 would be almost exactly the same width as the M4.
Just FYI.

M2 width: 73.0" (1854mm)
M4 width: 73.6" (1870mm)

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

i have no clue how to understand this.

M2 comes with a 235i body and M4 components.

1M comes with a 135i body and M3 components.

The 2 series is the new 1 series (part 2). The M3/4 is still the M3 (part 5). How does what you say make any sense?!

haha well I agree with you because I didn't say that. I said derivative and parts.