[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by 3rdPedalAddict

I think pricing will depend on if the cs will replace the comp or not. If it's the only m2 offered then they'll have to keep the base config below the m3/m4. I think they pulled the start date sooner because the comp sales are not as high as expected which might indicate that they're planning to replace the comp as they did with the og m. Just my guess.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt that

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by 3rdPedalAddict

I think pricing will depend on if the cs will replace the comp or not. If it's the only m2 offered then they'll have to keep the base config below the m3/m4. I think they pulled the start date sooner because the comp sales are not as high as expected which might indicate that they're planning to replace the comp as they did with the og m. Just my guess.

Well if they stop making the M2C and price the M2CS with a small price increase then that would hurt. I don't think that will happen though.

[fullstack]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Well if they stop making the M2C and price the M2CS with a small price increase then that would hurt. I don't think that will happen though.

Yeah I wouldn't bet money on it happening. It wouldn't make sense to muddle the cs moniker like that. However, they did make things confusing with the comp and how big is the Leipzig plant? Can they efficiently produce more than one variant of the m2 there? My guess is that if they offer both m2 variants then the cs will be extremely limited and priced accordingly.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Many people have flashed the M3 CS tune with BM3. I'm just saying that the M2 CS tune would be tailored for the S55 in the M2C. My thought is that since the 6MT is not available in the M3CS it is possible there might ? be subtle differences in the tune for a 6MT.

Ah, right! Great point, and I do recall discussion about that very issue in that thread. Thanks!

[Poochie]

If BMW brings the M2 CS to 70k MSRP even and discontinue the Competition, I find that's a reasonable marketing strategy.

Most folks that wanted a standard M2/M2C more than likely already have one, it's time to step their game up before the F87 rides off into the sunset..

Of course that's just my opinion..

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Poochie

If BMW brings the M2 CS to 70k MSRP even and discontinue the Competition, I find that's a reasonable marketing strategy.

Most folks that wanted a standard M2/M2C more than likely already have one, it's time to step their game up before the F87 rides off into the sunset..

Of course that's just my opinion..

Well if they offered the CS at 70k base price that would still be $11k more than I paid with options. It would be a good deal for people that want all of the CF add-ons. Personally I'm happy to spend $500. on a flash tune and keep the $11k. Everyone has their own options list though.

[M-Pilot]

BMW today still charges $4750 (used to be $5500) for Competition Package on M3/M4, which adds 20HP, different springs, some software changes and no weight savings at all. M3/M4CS has much higher premium (~$35K compared to the base model) and you get CS wheels, CF hood, 10HP bump, again some software changes, other CF add-ons (diffuser, spoiler, front lip), and some interior changes. As Artemis mentioned on previous page, M2 CS brings even more to the table such as CF roof and 40HP increase in addition to the M3/M4 CS changes. That being said I just don't see how this could be priced only $10K higher than the M2C. I have a feeling this car will start at $80K at least. I hope I'm wrong though because if it comes at $70K, I'm ready to order one in 2 years just before the EOP. Having all those parts and enhancements along with 40HP bump under factory warranty for only $10K difference would be a crazy deal.

[infinitekidM2C]

Another issue will be what kind of production numbers they will do. That's a whole 'nother battle

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by 3rdPedalAddict

Yeah I wouldn't bet money on it happening. It wouldn't make sense to muddle the cs moniker like that. However, they did make things confusing with the comp and how big is the Leipzig plant? Can they efficiently produce more than one variant of the m2 there? My guess is that if they offer both m2 variants then the cs will be extremely limited and priced accordingly.

I took a tour of the Leipzig BMW plant. It is huge. There are many different models of cars on the assembly line at once. They can change the distribution of models on the line at will.

From their site:
"The BMW Leipzig Plant is one of the most modern and sustainable car plants in the world. BMW cars for customers all over the world are produced here since 2005. More than 960 vehicles per day roll off the production lines."

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Well if they offered the CS at 70k base price that would still be $11k more than I paid with options. It would be a good deal for people that want all of the CF add-ons. Personally I'm happy to spend $500. on a flash tune and keep the $11k. Everyone has their own options list though.

+1 all the carbon stuff is ugly too, except the roof.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Assuming that the M2CS will have the S55 engine

Point of fact. No assumption.

[COChris]

Originally Posted by Poochie

If BMW brings the M2 CS to 70k MSRP even and discontinue the Competition, I find that's a reasonable marketing strategy.

Most folks that wanted a standard M2/M2C more than likely already have one, it's time to step their game up before the F87 rides off into the sunset..

Of course that's just my opinion..

That would be a great price for the M2 CS. If they ratchet it up to $80-85k, they are playing in second hand GT4 territory.

[AlpsRider]

There is really no point in guessing about value. When the price is released we will know where the M2C stands in the value department. The main thing is that the M2C has good bones with the highly tuneable S55. The rest could be added later as wanted/needed. Again, it all depends on where the price settles.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by COChris

That would be a great price for the M2 CS. If they ratchet it up to $80-85k, they are playing in second hand GT4 territory.

True, but one is new and one is a 3-4 year old car at that point. But still absolute no brainer to buy the GT4.

[e92_m3]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

My dealer guessed 85k for CS version today when I was there. You did name some very good cars in or under that price range tho. All 3 you mention would be on my list and are incredible if you want American iron . And man... that flat plane crank motor Ford put in the GT 350. Wow....

$85K for the CS with dealer markup is ridiculous

That's ZO6 territory! An M4 with the competition package is still cheaper.

Wow! I can't justify owning an $85K CS if there are much better cars you can get out there.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by e92_m3

$85K for the CS with dealer markup is ridiculous

That's ZO6 territory! An M4 with the competition package is still cheaper.

Wow! I can't justify owning an $85K CS if there are much better cars you can get out there.

Is the CS supposed to be cheaper than the M4 Comp? If so, why? M4 Comp still lacks the bigger brakes, CF hood, CS wheels, CF front lip, diffuser, and the spoiler plus it's a bigger car (not in a good way). Assuming these two cars will have the same or a very similar engine mapping (both 450HP), I'd choose the CS over M4 Comp any day if BMW priced the CS anywhere near M4 Comp price.

Also, if you look at Autotrader, you can get a Z06 for high 60s or low 70s. Similarly, there are plenty of GrandSports available for as low as $57K. Even Corvette GrandSport can outperform any M around most of the tracks (Grand Sport at VIR: 2:47.1 M4 GTS at VIR: 2:52.9). What I'm trying to say is, normally you'd expect everyone to buy a Grand Sport because it's cheaper than even the entry level M while performing better than arguably the best M ever made per BMW, aka M4 GTS. However, people can and still do justify owning an M2, M3, or M4 over a Corvette or something else for various reasons. Some people don't wanna live with a 2 seater while others think M cars still offer something special for them. That being said, I think there is definitely a market for the M2 CS even if it's priced at more than what people are wishing for here..

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

From their site:
"The BMW Leipzig Plant is one of the most modern and sustainable car plants in the world. BMW cars for customers all over the world are produced here since 2005. More than 960 vehicles per day roll off the production lines."

...and yet they offer only 4 colours for the F87.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Is the CS supposed to be cheaper than the M4 Comp? If so, why? M4 Comp still lacks the bigger brakes, CF hood, CS wheels, CF front lip, diffuser, and the spoiler plus it's a bigger car (not in a good way). Assuming these two cars will have the same or a very similar engine mapping (both 450HP), I'd choose the CS over M4 Comp any day if BMW priced the CS anywhere near M4 Comp price.

Also, if you look at Autotrader, you can get a Z06 for high 60s or low 70s. Similarly, there are plenty of GrandSports available for as low as $57K. Even Corvette GrandSport can outperform any M around most of the tracks (Grand Sport at VIR: 2:47.1 M4 GTS at VIR: 2:52.9). What I'm trying to say is, normally you'd expect everyone to buy a Grand Sport because it's cheaper than even the entry level M while performing better than arguably the best M ever made per BMW, aka M4 GTS. However, people can and still do justify owning an M2, M3, or M4 over a Corvette or something else for various reasons. Some people don't wanna live with a 2 seater while others think M cars still offer something special for them. That being said, I think there is definitely a market for the M2 CS even if it's priced at more than what people are wishing for here..

Another part of the equation: lots of BMW M enthusiasts consider the length of the E46 M3 - right under 4.5m - spot on (properly). About the right size to take it through the twisties in (still) a nimble fashion. The M2 and M2C length is close to that. That's also why I consider the M2 as some sort of 'E46 M3 Reloaded' (also similar weight and only a 27hp difference in power output). And also the archives of my mind feature fond memories about my E46 M3s. Not forgotten.

Speaking for myself, I would chose an M2 CS over an entry level M4, just like I prefer a Cayman GT4 (981 & forthcoming 718 iteration) over an entry level 911. IMHO the coincidence of the 718 Cayman GT4 release even might be one of the points to consider for BMW to set the M2 CS price more competitively than the M3 CS and M4 CS price increase (the delta when compared to the base M4 price), say, in the M4 entry level price whereabouts.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

...and yet they offer only 4 colours for the F87.

Exactly. This is a significant site which deals with heavy volume.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

...and yet they offer only 4 colours for the F87.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Exactly. This is a significant site which deals with heavy volume.

When BMW won't give you what you want...you can always just wrap it...

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1584371

[N54]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Exactly. This is a significant site which deals with heavy volume.

Forgive the ignorance but how does volume affect paint choices?
Surely you just program the paint code into the machine?

[CanAutM3]

My guess around the M2cs' availability and pricing is that it will be offered in parallel with the M2C and priced a fair bit above a base M4 during the hiatus period between the F82 and G82 M4 to fill the market gap.