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The ZF8 AT in cars like the m235 behaves exactly as you described above as well in manual mode.
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I have a bad feeling the next M3/M4 will be only AT.
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the BMW USA spec sheet is the BMW USA spec sheet. However the hell it was calculated for the M2 competition is the same way it was done for the M4 (which also has a sunroof available by the way..) And.. until I see a car on a set of scales... I am inclined to go with the US spec sheets... at least they can be made sense of.. plus it's the product I would receive when ordering. I'm never going to get a Euro spec model if I order it here... and we know there are US federalization items that may not be needed in Europe and vice versa (can you say WLTP exhaust? ) so.... looking at those specs really does me no good. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 05-21-2018 at 05:51 PM.. |
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This is from M Performance parts presser, "In conjunction with the new 19 inch M Performance forged wheel Y-spoke style 763 M the unsprung masses are reduced by 3.2 kilograms compared to the standard 19 inch wheel." The reduced by 3.2kg, I believe was in reference to the 788M. I know Mr. got some conflicting info, but its hard to believe the 788M are not the heavier wheels. 763M F - 9.262 kg(x2=18.852 kg) R - 9.884 kg(x2=19.798 kg) 38.62 kg or 85.14 lbs 437M F - 10.000 kg(2x=20 kg) R - 10.500 kg(x2=21 kg) 41 kg or 90.39 lbs 788M 85.14 + 7.05=92.19 lbs Last edited by M3_WC; 05-21-2018 at 06:16 PM.. |
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TL;DR, we won't know for certain until it's weighed. What I was saying is what a few members pointed out regarding the sunroof and brakes. Technically for US weight it must include options that are sold with 33% or more cars. We have no way of knowing how many cars get ordered with a sunroof, but it's a possibility it's over 33%. The M3/4's come with a CF roof. I can easily see people that want a sunroof deciding against them so they can have a CF roof, which would mean that weight isn't factored in for the M3/4. As far as the brakes go, if they're standard on the M2c they add weight. The M3/4 don't offer the upgraded iron brakes. So to recap, if the sunroof weighs ~40-lbs and the brakes are ~20-lbs more that's a good 60-lbs right there. |
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And I'm a recent M2 owner who loves his car and won't upgrade, but hoping to see the M2C become another great success.
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763M ------- Front: 20.75 lbs Rear: 21.80 lbs Total: 85.10 lbs 437M ------- Front: 23 lbs Rear: 23.37 lbs Total: 92.74 lbs |
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CW: What are you looking at? Me: M2 Competition. CW: What's that? Me: It's an M4 that's been rear ended and is now 8-1/2" shorter. CW: Me: Sooo, what's up; what do you need? |
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Yes, I f*cked up I didn't convert kg to lbs. Only converted the 3.2kg to lbs. FAIL! 763M F - 9.262 kg(x2=18.852 kg) R - 9.884 kg(x2=19.798 kg) 38.62 kg or 85.14 lbs 437M F - 10.000 kg(2x=20 kg) R - 10.500 kg(x2=21 kg) 41 kg or 90.39 lbs 788M 85.14 + 7.05=92.19 lbs |
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I just went to the web page and the sunroof option is available for the M4 as a no cost option. so.. If the take rate for the sunroof option on an M4 is 33%... then that item would be factored in the M4 weight too right? Are you really going to sit around and try and parse out the take rate for M2 and M4 sunroofs? So far.. the actual US take rate for the OG M2 sunroof is ZERO isn't it? IIRC it wasn't an option on the US OG M2 at all.. it was an option in Canada though. |
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arguing makes the time pass by more quickly.. besides.. once people start putting them on scales.. we will have more to argue about like... Are we sure the scales were zeroed? Are we sure someone wasn't putting their foot on scale during a measurement... ? was the car full of fuel or only half full..?. was there a driver in the car or not.... ? is merino leather heavier than Dakota? were all the measurements made on the same day on the same scale ... ? |
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For US the sunroof wasn't offered until MY18 LCI. They couldn't add that weight to the specs before, because it wasn't offered yet. They also couldn't add if for MY18, because sales numbers weren't in yet. I'm not justifying it one way or another, but I'm not ruling it out either. I know just as much as you and everyone else here on how many M2's got sold with sunroofs, which is no idea at all. |
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Not rear-ended - the term you're looking for is "right-sized".
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Then... you have to talk about which station said fuel is from. Shell's additives are derived from F1 .. so clearly they weigh less the Exxon's additives. |
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After many years on track over many cars, I can say that weight in the passenger seat (or in the middle of the car) doesn't make as much of a difference as weight at both ends.
So long as the bulk of this weight is between the axles, it's going to be noticeable but only barely. If the weight is ON any of the axles, it'll be very noticeable and the car will not feel as tossable - which is why we all bought the M2.
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That is ought to be non-US spec, the driver is 75 KG
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