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You are correct. Initially: 07:38 | Later: 07:35: see 09:49-10:19 of this video.
Nowadays BMW still quotes 07:38 on its website (see here):
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At anything over $80K, you have a choice of a slightly used M3/4CS with warranty and faster around the Nurburgring. You can also buy a brand new C8 Corvette which is even faster! I've owned the M2 and upgraded to the M2C for the engine. I do not DD my M2C, it is purely a fun/weekend/track car for me. I can afford the M2CS, but for my money a C8 Corvette with the Z51 package and the MagneRide suspension will be more fun on track. I buy my cars to drive and take them on track. I have a Corvette on order and I was offered a M2CS allocation at MSRP. I passed on the M2CS. But, I will keep my M2C.
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And presumably this is your 4th or 11th car in the garage that can find some space. There are reasons why they would make such cars in low numbers, it's an engineering feat. True manual tranny characteristics, I can understand the real last "bmw bmw", likely not. And you do bring the design elements into comparison, I personally never liked the 2 series it looks like a toy car to me, those tail lights are super lazy design as if they just ran out of ideas (aren't all cars these days? Look at the confused C class a brainchild ve and Audi tail lights Lol). Grill size sanity is just holding up enough in the smaller BMW cars. I recall Chris Bangle on design of tail lights with the man himself admitting it was harder of most design problems to solve. Saw an article comparing cayman, 911 and Audi R8 where the track times were so similar within 100th of sec that either it's track driver difference or only a handful of those lucky M2 CS owners would be able to hit that track time difference with their super license and F1 training certificate. Enjoy in good health it's a unique collectible car that i can appreciate if I had a tonne of $
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Race cars have no problem with pitch and roll because unlike street cars they run firm suspension, firm springs and firm anti-roll bars with smaller wheels and bigger sidewalls. They let the sidewall absorb imperfections and the firm suspension controls pitch and roll. This is fact. Ironically, race cars usually run on tracks where the road conditions are better than on many streets and roads we drive on. So what happens when you have customers complain about their sports cars and sports sedans are to harsh on the street? They don't want to run smaller wheels with sidewalls because they don't look as cool. They want to run the biggest wheels with the thinnest sidewall. Ah, brilliant you can design an intelligent strut that will change dampening on the fly by looking at speed, steering angle, pitch, roll etc. Ah, very cool. You can go slow and go over a speed bump and the active strut, coupled with a softer-to-begin-with-spring-to-allow-for-the-softer-motion goes soft and makes for a pleasant speed bump. Then when you hit the perfect race-track grade mountain road it firms up to allow a sports-car firmness. Sounds great and that is the real raison d'tetre for these street suspension. It sounds great, but people just need to understand and admit that this is what they are really for. It's for people that want to feel they have a manly sports car but don't want the harshness that can come with it. Race cars on the other hand that run active suspensions have a single purpose...to win races but they start life firmer and with sidewalls. People are conflating the two. What the M2 was supposed to be and the CS variant which is supposedly more hard-edged but now people want to dilute its core difference with the same electro-comfort wizardry that was the whole reason, they came out with the 1M and followed with the M2. It was supposed to be less tech, more basics. If you want an electronic suspension, get an M4. Don't ruin it for everyone else that wants something more hard-edged and pure. They already make an "executive" version of the M4. Last edited by nachob; 11-24-2019 at 12:20 PM.. |
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85k for a 2 series wtf....
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It operates under the guise as a 'club sport' which is a hard-core street car that is also capable of holding its own on a track. Adaptive Suspension is a type of automotive dampers that controls the vertical movement of the wheels relative to the chassis or vehicle body with an onboard system, rather than in passive suspension where the movement is being determined entirely by the road surface. The active system does offers a greater level of ride quality and handling of the car. It does so by keeping the tires at right angles to the road in corners which gives better traction control. It's existence started more than two decades ago. Formula One's racing Team Lotus first employed the active suspension. Hardly a car for effeminate species. Just like the electronic torque-vectoring LSD that makes M cars stand out about the rest, adaptive suspension adds another layer of dynamism enhancement to the vehicle. And don't get it twisted, the only reason it was excluded in the M2/M2C is due to cost-cutting, not because M2C was made for burly, hairy-chested men, as you seem to believe. The M2 CS just had a bigger budget to work it and BMW saw the benefits of adding electronic, variable dampers. To suggest any other reason for it's existence is just asinine. |
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I'm sure that several M2 CS buyers already have a dedicated track toy and/or supercar. This is an opportunity to purchase from new a car that combines many of the things that made BMW an enthusiast brand to begin with. I'd go as far as saying that speccing the DCT is a mistake here- there are better and faster options. With the 6MT this will be very special now and in the future. As per my post above, the "85k for a 2 series" comments miss the point of this car. Buyers for this car (especially those choosing to spec their rare car with a clutch pedal) don't really care about the price, they just want to add an amazing car to the fleet. I often dream about what it would have been like to order a new E46 Competition or CSL back in the day and keep it forever. I see this as the closest I can get to living out that sort of fantasy today.
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I could care less about performance figures as I doubt I will use this as a track car. Similar to why is the GT3 touring so popular, at the end of the day, it's about driver enjoyment. The M2CS is the last of its kind that somewhat harkens back to the E46 generation.
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I do think it's all about specific use cases. You, clearly, understand your specific use case, and respect others' preferences too. It always blows me away when someone says, "How can you possibly buy this car over the X? You're an idiot! The X made the Kessel run in under twelve parsecs." WTF??? I get it! Some people's use case is squeezing out every ounce of performance because they're training to win the 24 hours of Spa. Awesome. But, just because some of us want analog fun doesn't mean we're idiots for liking this car! Enjoy in good health, sir! |
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