[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by sunil_linus

You guys are sweating the small stuff; that extra turbo will more than make up for the weight increase...

BMW Engineers: Additional weight? Just add more boost.

In straightforward driving (yes) - Many, love the M2, for feeling nimble.

[ThugzZ BunnY]

those wheels look like a worse version of the performance pack mustang wheels

[ah3nyc]

Am I the only one excited to pick up a slightly used cpo m2 for mid to low 40s once these hit street sometime next year? The original is plenty fast for daily driver duty.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

2020 CSL as a crescendo? Gatte is currently raining on my parade though

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

he hates me too....

What'd I do ??

[silverado]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

no there isn't... but since we are rev reviewing precedents.. I wonder if the " internal name " of M2 comp simply just becomes "2019 M2" as the vehicle comes to production... then that puts it back in line with some of the prior models that have had major motor changes like the e36 m3 and the M roadster.

But it doesn't seem that the name is just internal now that it's on the M2 logo on the back of the car, at least according to the EVO photos.

Anyway, time will soon tell for sure!

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by ah3nyc

Am I the only one excited to pick up a slightly used cpo m2 for mid to low 40s once these hit street sometime next year? The original is plenty fast for daily driver duty.

The lightweight version might hold values more than originally thought

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by ah3nyc

Am I the only one excited to pick up a slightly used cpo m2 for mid to low 40s once these hit street sometime next year? The original is plenty fast for daily driver duty.

If you want a used M2 then you should be excited. People that already own one might not feel the same way

[ah3nyc]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

The lightweight version might hold values more than originally thought

How will the s55 sound? The m2 sounds way better than m3/m4. Driven them at limerock few years back. If I didn't have my 340 now. I'd be rocking an m2.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Edit: Artemis, M3 Adjuster : Do you really like the shape of the wing on the M2 racing ? I think that would look ugly on the M2. I really hope BMW spends some money and tries to develop the wing to flow with the shape of the car.

IMHO an M2 CSL would be the right opportunity to score a halo status homerun by going full badass with a direct link to the BMW 3.0 CSL past, including a modern interpretation of the integrated bat wing.










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[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Adding more M POWAH to offset MORE WEIGHT since the E46 ....

Originally Posted by nachob

Lol

Weight up 55kilos. WTF.

I guess competition is weight gain competition. I love how they add BS wight from engine cooling too. Crazy marketing! Chug the koolaid

An extra turbo.... the strut bar.. the cooling system routing to the box on the motor... it all adds up....

So much for " efficient dynamics" ..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

What'd I do ??

Don't worry Gatte, he's an OK guy. However, despite the absolute truth that we are by no means affiliated to BMW or BMW M in any way whatsoever except for being BMW enthusiasts + current/potential customers, he is convinced that we are BMW bots.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by ah3nyc

Am I the only one excited to pick up a slightly used cpo m2 for mid to low 40s once these hit street sometime next year? The original is plenty fast for daily driver duty.

right there with you. i'm really curious to see how much they tank.

[BishUK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

IMHO an M2 CSL would be the right opportunity to score a halo status homerun by going full badass with a direct link to the BMW 3.0 CSL past, including a modern interpretation of the integrated bat wing.
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@Gatte Artemis
Best two posts in this whole thread. Gatte has given confidence and proven a business case as to why BMW must put a CSL version of M2 in to production as exiting halo M2 from this platform generation - setting the M2 name in stone to attract the next generation of buyers - aka the new M3. Artemis, you've nailed it re: the rear wing design. The current GTS spoiler design is too devisive and BMW need to put some hours in to the design and integrate it better with the sculpture of the rear of the car - pretty much exactly like the vision concept car. Make it happen BMW, please.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by silverado

But it doesn't seem that the name is just internal now that it's on the M2 logo on the back of the car, at least according to the EVO photos.

Anyway, time will soon tell for sure!

Jesus lord no... BMW will be advertising it as the " First ever M2 competition "

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BishUK

@Gatte Artemis
Best two posts in this whole thread. Gatte has given confidence and proven a business case as to why BMW must put a CSL version of M2 in to production as exiting halo M2 from this platform generation - setting the M2 name in stone to attract the next generation of buyers - aka the new M3. Artemis, you've nailed it re: the rear wing design. The current GTS spoiler design is too decisive and BMW need to put some hours in to the design and integrate it better with the sculpture of the rear of the car - pretty much exactly like the vision concept car. Make it happen BMW, please.

The current GTS spoiler design is too decisive ? Divisive? Derisive? Seriously.. I'm not catching your meaning here..

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

IMHO an M2 CSL would be the right opportunity to score a halo status homerun by going full badass with a direct link to the BMW 3.0 CSL past, including a modern interpretation of the integrated bat wing.

Absolutely agree. Just not sure if BMW will let it happen on this version.

The next iteration of the M2 will incorporate Carbon Fiber in the chassis. In my opinion that would be more CSLesque from the beginning. BMW might hence call this iteration a GTS and not a CSL. That would also allow BMW to put in the existing wing (similar wing to the one on the M2 Racing, Moto GP safety cars & some other cars )

Having said that, I find it hard to believe that BMW did not do anything to reduce the weight on the M2 Competition. It's a big opportunity to just let go and I don't think BMW will just let that go. Whether it will be worthy of the CSL moniker or not is still to be seen.

I really think it will mostly be a GTS rather than a CSL this time. I sincerely hope I am wrong though.

Let's see.

[Guydj1]

Seriously in the long run I don’t think the current M2 will suffer in holding its value, in the short term yes!!but don’t be surprised 10yrs from now the current M2 is not well sort after. The new M2 competition wiil obviously perform better but I’m sure in the real world on a twisty road 2 good drivers how big a gap will it be??

I know BMW like to spout on about 50/50 weight distribution somehow I don’t see the additional weight from the engine will deliver on that point

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Absolutely agree. Just not sure if BMW will let it happen on this version.

The next iteration of the M2 will incorporate Carbon Fiber in the chassis. In my opinion that would be more CSLesque from the beginning. BMW might hence call this iteration a GTS and not a CSL. That would also allow BMW to put in the existing wing (similar wing to the one on the M2 Racing, Moto GP safety cars & some other cars )

Having said that, I find it hard to believe that BMW did not do anything to reduce the weight on the M2 Competition. It's a big opportunity to just let go and I don't think BMW will just let that go. Whether it will be worthy of the CSL moniker or not is still to be seen.

I really think it will mostly be a GTS rather than a CSL this time. I sincerely hope I am wrong though.

Let's see.

Well, they could also consider settling for "M2 CS" if the "L" of "CSL" (= Leichtbau = lightweight construction) would be inappropriate.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Absolutely agree. Just not sure if BMW will let it happen on this version.

The next iteration of the M2 will incorporate Carbon Fiber in the chassis. In my opinion that would be more CSLesque from the beginning. BMW might hence call this iteration a GTS and not a CSL. That would also allow BMW to put in the existing wing (similar wing to the one on the M2 Racing, Moto GP safety cars & some other cars )

Having said that, I find it hard to believe that BMW did not do anything to reduce the weight on the M2 Competition. It's a big opportunity to just let go and I don't think BMW will just let that go. Whether it will be worthy of the CSL moniker or not is still to be seen.

I really think it will mostly be a GTS rather than a CSL this time. I sincerely hope I am wrong though.

Let's see.

. on to the CSL/GTS banter thread...

It sure seems that the GTS moniker is dead based on the comments from Van meel and the intro of the CS.

I love the 4 tier idea of

base model
Comp pack
CS - luxury with 4 seats and track orientation
CSL - performance with 2 seats and track focused


BMW is so muddled right now between their model #s and even their model names though... they have screwed up the 4 series by muddling in gran coupes... the 6 series now moves to 8.. 5GT becomes 6 for no explicable reason... . and they can't fully decide how to name their sports cars lines.... ..

For the M4.... we will make a Comp pack.. a GTS.. a CS... but for the M2... we will make a "competition.. " . but not comp pack.... ? and we will give it an entirely different motor... which we've never done before..

[Cadillac]

Originally Posted by BimmerMan2421

If the 1% price increase is true......TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!

The Sports Seats are optional...watch the price jump!!
BMW and it's options that is how they make the extras.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by silverado

But it doesn't seem that the name is just internal now that it's on the M2 logo on the back of the car, at least according to the EVO photos.

Anyway, time will soon tell for sure!

Nice catch
Also to be expected then on future models such as the upcoming M5 Competition.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Gatte

What'd I do ??

Sorry, you said either GTS or CSL. I rushed through your response and read "no CSL". This thread is pretty active I'd say.