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Sour grapes and such comments arent really needed, no ones flaming the car. I could afford it and about a year ago I was the first in line for an application. Simply choosing not too. Seeing how the M3/4CS played out has me out of the game. It's probably just about right in the states. Only really hardcore fans will follow through and pick these up. UK will be interesting to see many picked up their £90k M3CS for £60k ish. Not exactly encouraging us to jump right in and this definitely not sour grapes?
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But that could be the roads up here My M235 in comfort mode was very comfortable but in sport+ it was stiff, not Öhlins coilvers stiff, but stiff. Ride was always OK even in 19" M-per. The m2c feels stiffer then my old R32 GTR with HKS Hipermaxxx coils on hardest! With that said - its nothing less of amazing car to drive. I dont daily mine so I dont know what thats like but yeah. |
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Porsche Panamera Turbo starts at $153K before options. Big increase over $83K.
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Ah yes. This is the same argument that software takes $0 to build or an iPhone costs $170 to build per unit. You are missing something.
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Obviously, the consumer would not have the same benefit trying to sell these items. It really doesn't matter what it costs BMW to produce this car. The measuring stick should be what would it cost the consumer; as the previous writer was accurately stating.
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11-24-2019, 07:08 AM | #227 | |
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When ordering an M2 CS you got a choice about (Brembo) brakes:
You could also approach it the other way around: on the M2 CS you get the red 2NH M Sport Brakes as standard feature (cost option on the M2C in Europe: silver 2NH). But of course, it's already included in the M2 CS base price. Seen from that perspective M-CCB on the M2 CS are actually the price of the 2NH + $8K/€8K (M-CCB factory installed). If you want to retrofit 2NH at a later stage, it will cost you even more: M-CCB (factory installed) + 2NH + cost of labor for the 2NH retrofit. So, yeah, as regards the M2 CS customer wallet, M-CCB is even more costly for the M2 CS customer than the $8K/€8k option price: BMW gets the 2NH money from that customer as part of the M2 CS base price without installing 2NH onto the M2 CS of that customer.
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Off topic but I'll chime in with CCB cost should significantly decrease in cost and improve over the next few years. CC discs and pads should be an easy add to anyone with the 2nh option. The calipers will have a couple component differences, but likely inconsequential for most.
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Wow, BMW may be really trying to spread the love around the globe.
Flasch also told us that in the near future, the M Division will release the official Nurburgring times for the new BMW M2 CS. There are around 2,200 units produced globally and our sources say that between 350 and 400 of them will come to the United States. |
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Are you so sure of your claim at this point when there is no official info about it? I know Porsche does it the reasonable and logical way. The turbo model gets metallic paint standard and special color for half the price a base Carrera model would.
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The YouTuber posted his M2 CS video on Nov 5 (among the first worldwide), standing next to the M2 CS in Belgium, filming with permission from BMW Belux (Belgium & Luxembourg). He must have gotten that piece of info straight from BMW Belux, no ? Or did he misunderstand what was told ? During the closed room M2 CS preview event in Brussels on Sep 17, a BMW guy mentioned "about 10 seconds faster than the M2 Competition". Not sure if that was an impromptu statement that he made up - I don't think so. Oh well, a €91K base price was also repeatedly announced during that event and later (Nov 6) it turned out to be €96.5K. "You take the Misano Blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe." 8 or 10 seconds faster: maybe depends on what time BMW officially considers as M2C lap time (compared to the 07:52.36 M2C lap time by Sport Auto in October 2018).
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I figured they'd target the 981 gt4. Old yes, but quite the testament for a 4 seat grocery getter. IMHO that's all they need to demonstrate. Want a faster 4 seater, then get a giulia QV. The guy running a 7:12 with his m2C shows what the m2 chassis is capable of producing. I suspect the M2CS would cost even less to get it there due to the adaptive suspension, but it would likely require custom tuning to slicks.
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See also (Germany): Quote:
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At this price point, I'd rather buy a used 911
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Is the M2cs even offered with the "base" (4/2 pot calipers) iron brakes?
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No. Either red colored 2NH M Sport Brakes or gold colored 2NK M-CCB.
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Unlike the M3 CS and M4 GTS, the M2 CS can be paired with an actual clutch pedal. Brilliant. I can see the DCT cars taking a hit but not the 6MT. Unless you really do require maximum track performance, spec the stick. Also, a lot of people mentioning GT4 as a better option. I don't buy that comparison: the M2 CS is "maximum BMW" in the sense that it combines BMW's best traditional ingredients in an exclusive package for enthusiasts. It could be the last "BMW BMW" (have you seen the grille on the upcoming compact M cars?). That alone makes it worth a garage space, for now. The GT4 is awesome but it lacks the legitimate motorsports engine available in the 991.2 GT3/Speedster. It isn't "maximum Porsche." Looking forward to welcoming the CS to the family.
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Adaptive suspension isn't about comfort, it'a about improved performance. The fact that the damping is continuously adapting to the driving and road conditions multiple times per second keeps the tire better connected to the road and also improves handling response in transitions.
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