[cactusjack]

Originally Posted by VCP

I'll wait for the CSL thanks. And I am patient 😀

I wouldnt get my hopes up for a CSL, what more could they do? Strip out more weight, ecu tune extra 10-20 hp, add more burbles and change the bumpers. Charge 100k USD

[VCP]

Originally Posted by cactusjack

I wouldnt get my hopes up for a CSL, what more could they do? Strip out more weight, ecu tune extra 10-20 hp, add more burbles and change the bumpers. Charge 100k USD

I'll go Vegas style on it

[W///]

Originally Posted by Celestion

Why would anyone buy this when they can buy a C8 for less? I was a fan of the M2, until the C8 was announced.

Lack of manual would be a no go for me (cliche, I know), and I'm still not sold on the looks of C8. Not to mention they're going to be everywhere.

There's no arguing the performance will be there, but this is just not my type of car. I'd prefer a GenV Viper to be honest.

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by W///

Not sure why people are already counting out the M2CS. Yes, the price will probably be too high, but I think the end result potentially could be the best thing BMW M has put out in years.

I've never driven the M3/4 CS, but every review I've seen is that this is by far the best of the platform, and there is a significant improvement over the Comp Pack. The only problem is that it just doesn't justify the price. There's no doubt the performance will be there for M2CS IMHO. It might not seem it on paper, but more power, adaptive suspension (remains to be seen if this is good or bad), more visual flair AND available in 6MT = win.

Having said all this, I still think the M2C is the bargain of the bunch, and the choice I would go with personally.

Agree with you here! Haters gotta hate. Confuses me really, we all pretty much knew exactly what the car was going to be. Only thing I can see that people have actual cause to complain about is the suspected price. Otherwise it's the end of the F87 with (nearly) all of the development thrown at it and still has the option for MT. Why are people saying 'underwhelmed'? What were you expecting? The M2 race car with plates on it? It's been said over and over again, look at the M4CS and apply that to the M2 and that's pretty much what you're going to get.
And yes, in the F80 platform the CS is considered the sweet spot. The only thing to complain about there is again, the price and DCT only. I don't get it. The M2CS is clearly going to be the best F87 (subjective to pricing of course).

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by as7920

Anything wrong with the current gen F80 M3 CS?

No, but I might be looking to consolidate cars and a awd M3 is enticing.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I think I'd rather take the M2CS than the way the G80 is looking with that front end...

I am not one for buying multiple versions of the same gen car.

[AlpsRider]

It looks like the M2 CS will be great enthusiasts choice. The final MSRP is likely to be too high for many though when it's compared to the M2C.

If the rumor is true that the CS has nearly the same weight as the M2C then just changing the wheels on the M2C US model with the 788M wheels to the 763M wheels would get it close to the CS weight. If you're willing to tune your car, for $550. you can have a M4 CS tune.

All of the carbon fiber bits are definitely nice and the prestige of owning a M2 with CS on the trunk lid is enticing.

The one change that could affect overall handling beyond the M2C would be the adaptive suspension. However it's possible that in some aspects it may not be as desirable as coilovers.

If the "real" price on the CS is too high then even if it ends up being a collector model the realized gains from less depreciation over the M2C would likely take a long time to show up.

In any case I can't wait to see the CS and order some if its parts for my M2C!

[GoneIn4Secs]

Its funny how Chevrolet wants to make the c8 still accessible, while bmw seems like its more after gouging the customers

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by jmg

That hood is a huge selling point IMHO. the fact that the MPE is included is another one. What I haven't seen yet is if the torque will go up to 442 like the M3 CS's did and a retuned suspension. Then you have something more than just a car with M parts slapped on it.

According to the technical data in https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1654057 there is no torque increase - it's 550 NM for both M2C and M2CS.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by mbanck

According to the technical data in https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1654057 there is no torque increase - it's 550 NM for both M2C and M2CS.

Max numbers don't tell the whole story. Who knows what's lurking under the curve. That's where the seat of the pants fun goes to play

Edit:. It's an S55. There really aren't any surprised regarding the numbers it can produce in stock and tuned form.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by twin fed

I am not one for buying multiple versions of the same gen car.

I get you, but going from an OG M2 to an M2CS is a pretty big jump even if it's a different version of the same car. I'm pretty sure if you make that jump it'll feel like 2 totally different cars.

[medphysdave]

I would like to see some receipts for parts and labor for those that are saying they could upgrade a C $20k to a CS. I do believe a C can be made as quick as a CS for less than $20k.

Let's face it, the max performance point of the C and CS should be even.

[Jimmle]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I get you, but going from an OG M2 to an M2CS is a pretty big jump even if it's a different version of the same car. I'm pretty sure if you make that jump it'll feel like 2 totally different cars.

Yep agree moving from my OG M2 to this will be a big upgrade for sure 👌🏻

[dgm3]

Originally Posted by Franzino

I asked a BMW guy with a tablet about the weight and he said that a manual M2 CS was 1.500kg (and the same weight as the manual OG M2). But; I did not ask this in writing for future proof or asked how they reduced weight 😉

1500 kg DIN= 1575 kg EU so both figures are possible depending the referenced standard, but this would correspond to a 50 kgs saving vs the M2C. I have my doubts though, why BMW would not advertise such weight saving ?The answer might be in attached video of Porsche chief for GT cars explaining why the weight of the new GT4 is deceiving. Discussion on weight homologation starts at 13:30 min

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by omasou

Going from a M2 to a M2C was way cheaper than trying to buy the parts and retrofit them, meaning seat, strut brace, mirrors and seat belts. Then add in the S55 and brakes and I am way ahead.

Though enhancing M2C to M2CS should be cheaper since I won't bother with the M2CS specific dash embellishment, 40 HP and CF roof. I already did the rest, 768M wheels, MPC. Plan to add the rear spoiler and MPE and may add the CF hood.

Is labor reasonable for the installation of carbon pieces? Seats can likely be done a lot cheaper than what comes with the CS. Exhaust is pretty pricey.

[F87_LCI]

Interesting. I have a deposit down on both the CS and the new GT4. Decision will be rather simple for me...if I can get the GT4 I will (unlikely as I have never bought from the dealership). If not, I will go for the CS (likely as I am second on the list for over a year and I have bought multiple vehicles from them). Both cars are going to be great and both a step up from my current OG (although it it's current form the CS is less so a step up than the GT4). I still have a few months to wait and see which lottery ticket comes in

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Interesting. I have a deposit down on both the CS and the new GT4. Decision will be rather simple for me...if I can get the GT4 I will (unlikely as I have never bought from the dealership). If not, I will go for the CS (likely as I am second on the list for over a year and I have bought multiple vehicles from them). Both cars are going to be great and both a step up from my current OG (although it it's current form the CS is less so a step up than the GT4). I still have a few months to wait and see which lottery ticket comes in

What mods do you have on yiur OG now?

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

What mods do you have on yiur OG now?

Pretty much all of them, lol.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Is labor reasonable for the installation of carbon pieces? Seats can likely be done a lot cheaper than what comes with the CS. Exhaust is pretty pricey.

Maybe, I think you would do a lot better to get an M2 CS than retrofit M Performance parts overall, though.

You'll never get the resale value of those mods on an M2C. You will get more money if you sell an M2 CS.

BMW makes $$$ with these M Performance carbon panels. Their cost for the carbon fiber parts are probably cheaper than we think because of their relationship with the SGL venture. BMW is pushing this stuff hard lately, so the margins must be awesome.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Interesting. I have a deposit down on both the CS and the new GT4. Decision will be rather simple for me...if I can get the GT4 I will (unlikely as I have never bought from the dealership). If not, I will go for the CS (likely as I am second on the list for over a year and I have bought multiple vehicles from them). Both cars are going to be great and both a step up from my current OG (although it it's current form the CS is less so a step up than the GT4). I still have a few months to wait and see which lottery ticket comes in

For me, no fold down rear seat kind of takes the M2 CS out of contention. I rarely use the back seats for people; no one wants to sit in the back of a small coupe anyway. The fold down seats are really useful if it's your only car. If it's not your only car, then the GT4 is just a better buy.

[syd281]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Interesting. I have a deposit down on both the CS and the new GT4. Decision will be rather simple for me...if I can get the GT4 I will (unlikely as I have never bought from the dealership). If not, I will go for the CS (likely as I am second on the list for over a year and I have bought multiple vehicles from them). Both cars are going to be great and both a step up from my current OG (although it it's current form the CS is less so a step up than the GT4). I still have a few months to wait and see which lottery ticket comes in

same situation for me as I have a slot and deposit for both the CS and the GT4... it would be a second car and I m hesitating...

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Interesting. I have a deposit down on both the CS and the new GT4. Decision will be rather simple for me...if I can get the GT4 I will (unlikely as I have never bought from the dealership). If not, I will go for the CS (likely as I am second on the list for over a year and I have bought multiple vehicles from them). Both cars are going to be great and both a step up from my current OG (although it it's current form the CS is less so a step up than the GT4). I still have a few months to wait and see which lottery ticket comes in

That's a no brainer. GT4