[spavlas77]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

If you drive the 6MT version of the G87 though, you will notice a lack of torque output from the S58 below ~3k rpms compared to the S55. Stuff like 2nd gear corners where you don't want to do a 2-1 downshift and drive the thing like a 125cc 2-stroke mx bike. The S55 comes on much stronger early on, but the top end hit of the S58 is really nice, even compared to the CS tune on the M2C. That's the other thing too that I had to force my old self to get over -- the ZF8 auto is an incredible transmission in the Gxx platform. If I was buying a G87 to spend a lot of time on track, I'd actually go with ZF8, no question. I've driven both the 6MT and ZF8 versions of the G87 a good amount, but the ZF8 was all track time and nothing but impressive.

Is the ZF8 in the G87 different from the ZF8 found in the M340i (which is the same as the ZF8 in X4M40i I guess)?

I have driven the X4M40i and apart from the lack of natural sound, the gearbox was the biggest letdown. I found it utterly boring compared to the DCT in the F87. It did not inspire as much confidence as the DCT, the shifts felt much less snappy (even though they might be equally fast) and I felt no urge to shift manually with paddles as I usually do with the DCT. Maybe it was coupled with the lack of sound but I also felt like I had no idea when to shift so I generally just let the transmission do its job. It might be a good transmission but in no way it is an exciting transmission. Actually, it felt almost like a Corolla automatic I had rented for a trip around New Zealand.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by spavlas77

Is the ZF8 in the G87 different from the ZF8 found in the M340i (which is the same as the ZF8 in X4M40i I guess)?

I have driven the X4M40i and apart from the lack of natural sound, the gearbox was the biggest letdown. I found it utterly boring compared to the DCT in the F87. It did not inspire as much confidence as the DCT, the shifts felt much less snappy (even though they might be equally fast) and I felt no urge to shift manually with paddles as I usually do with the DCT. Maybe it was coupled with the lack of sound but I also felt like I had no idea when to shift so I generally just let the transmission do its job. It might be a good transmission but in no way it is an exciting transmission. Actually, it felt almost like a Corolla automatic I had rented for a trip around New Zealand.

I would say drive it in a late model M340i or M3. The ZF8 comes in many different versions, but the most important aspect is programming. In Sport Individual mode in the M340i, select "sport plus" for the transmission and engine, and then on the transmission shift toggle, pull back twice to put the transmission in full sport mode. Now you can decide if it's acceptable or not going full tilt. There is plenty of aural feedback (at least in a 2024 M340i), and shifts are very quick in addition to paddle response to manual inputs being fast.

My first experience with a ZF8 was 5-6 years ago in an M5 Comp, and it wasn't too impressive at that time. Slow shift response to paddle inputs, etc. That has changed substantially since that time. At least in M cars, M340/M440. I have no idea about the current SAVs though.

For a good idea of on track response, Jackie Ding's videos with his G87 project time attack car are pretty good.

[murderspice]

Finally saw one irl. If you are really close to it, you can’t see the bottom half; which is good.

Then there’s this:

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Finally saw one irl. If you are really close to it, you can’t see the bottom half; which is good.

Then there’s this:

This is truly a ridiculously funny thread!

I can find funny angles of any car and photograph it… That’s super easy-

It’s a different interpretation of M2

The car looks fantastic in Black

A few shots I took of the G87

[donkey]

Any car looks good in black tbf

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by donkey

Any car looks good in black tbf

No not really lol

G87 looks absolutely menacing in Black

[qnet]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

No not really lol

G87 looks absolutely menacing in Black

I like frozen blue. I’m glad they’re offering that color although it’s an additional wait. I won’t be getting an G87, but that’s the color I would go with.

[donkey]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

No not really lol

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by donkey

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by qnet

I like frozen blue. I’m glad they’re offering that color although it’s an additional wait. I won’t be getting an G87, but that’s the color I would go with.

I saw the frozen blue in person but it was slightly dusty so really hard to appreciate

Then I saw frozen pure gray without proper lighting, so I really need to see both again

[m2ss]

I've seen many hereabouts and at the dealership and the black looks the best by far.

What does this say about the composition of body panels against different colors I don't know, just sharing my thoughts...

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

This is truly a ridiculously funny thread!

I can find funny angles of any car and photograph it… That’s super easy-

It’s a different interpretation of M2

The car looks fantastic in Black

A few shots I took of the G87

Let me add some positives.

The kidneys actually work in person; from about 20 ft away, they really are a kidney grill evolution. Because they are pushed forward, it makes the air intakes and scaffolding way less pronounced; visually supporting the kidneys, instead of being the main focus -which is all i can focus on when looking at pictures.

The overall shape/stance/presence is actually very nice; feeling like a purpose-built, fast-car shape. I didn’t care for the boxy fenders (see here: https://i.ibb.co/Jr5Rc9Y/PXL-20240305-234542668.jpg) but they are not nearly as abrupt as pictures suggest. The taillights are still a tragedy, but the jet exhaust-looking rear bumper design isn’t as pronounced when you are standing next to the car. In fact, i thought the rear exhaust/spoiler stuck out just enough and was just the right shape to bring a satisfying cohesion to the rear. The long assed boot lid in pictures also translates well in person, adding to the sense of width the car has. The side sills could go either way.

I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised that a car looks better in person than in pictures. But it is definitely a new generation car, and a departure from the restrained, flowing lines of the f-series.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Let me add some positives.

The kidneys actually work in person; from about 20 ft away, they really are a kidney grill evolution. Because they are pushed forward, it makes the air intakes and scaffolding way less pronounced; visually supporting the kidneys, instead of being the main focus -which is all i can focus on when looking at pictures.

The overall shape/stance/presence is actually very nice; feeling like a purpose-built, fast-car shape. I didn’t care for the boxy fenders (see here: https://i.ibb.co/Jr5Rc9Y/PXL-20240305-234542668.jpg) but they are not nearly as abrupt as pictures suggest. The taillights are still a tragedy, but the jet exhaust-looking rear bumper design isn’t as pronounced when you are standing next to the car. In fact, i thought the rear exhaust/spoiler stuck out just enough and was just the right shape to bring a satisfying cohesion to the rear. The long assed boot lid in pictures also translates well in person, adding to the sense of width the car has. The side sills could go either way.

I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised that a car looks better in person than in pictures. But it is definitely a new generation car, and a departure from the restrained, flowing lines of the f-series.

💯

I bet Skyscraper will look great as well

[philth]

It all looks like a bad late 90s early 00s body kit to me.
Everything else about it may be amazing, but I can not get over the looks, nor the full digital interior. I’m happy for anyone that enjoys the thing, but it’s not for me.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by philth

It all looks like a bad late 90s early 00s body kit to me.
Everything else about it may be amazing, but I can not get over the looks, nor the full digital interior. I’m happy for anyone that enjoys the thing, but it’s not for me.

Black hides the body kit effect IMHO.

All other colors not so much IMHO.

If you're a "Trekkie" the interior is sublime IMHO.

My car is still the best looking period IMHO.

I'll shut up now...

[DanG]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Black hides the body kit effect IMHO.

All other colors not so much IMHO.

If you're a "Trekkie" the interior is sublime IMHO.

My car is still the best looking period IMHO.

I'll shut up now...

I think the red looks acceptable also. Hides the horrible lines pretty well.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by DanG

I think the red looks acceptable also. Hides the horrible lines pretty well.

Agreed. when I make the transition, my thought was either red or black for me.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by DanG

I think the red looks acceptable also.
Hides the horrible lines pretty well.

If you feel this car has horrible lines I’m not sure how color fixes anything for you

[Bluenose-2er]

Whenever I walk up to my LBB OG F87, I think 'damn that's a beautiful car'. Not sure I could ever think that with a G87.

I do love my analog gauges too! I don't drive the M2 for bells and whistles.

Let's face it, on aesthetics the F87 is as easy win.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Let's face it, on aesthetics the F87 is as easy win.

It kinda reminds me of the 993 masterpiece followed by the 996 catastrophe...

[///M TOWN]

The G87 is as unique as the F87

Clearly the design is totally different

But as always haters are going to hate…

[DanG]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

The G87 is as unique as the F87

Clearly the design is totally different

But as always haters are going to hate…

Even most of the reviewers commented on the poor looks. It is definitely unique and probably the best current BMW.