04-23-2021, 03:42 PM | #45 |
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Good question, I think I'd have mine done if there were a guarantee that it'd be perfect with no squeeks, rattles etc.... but can they guarantee this?
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Is it always the same stall? Is it sloped (ie: on a level change ramp)? Are the stalls perpendicular or angled? M2CS roof replacement isn't something to take lightly. Is Global Imports your center? |
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04-23-2021, 04:11 PM | #47 |
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I'd tell them to buy it back. Zero chance I'd want them replacing the structural roof and zero chance I'd want to keep the car the way it is.
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04-23-2021, 04:33 PM | #48 |
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sorry man, I'd push to get them to buy it back -- I'm just thinking of all the potential issues you could have down the road in trade off for a cosmetic issue - replacing the rear and front windows is no joke - your car is going to be down for months likely
I'm so sorry this has happened to you, I'm still curious what the cause was.
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04-23-2021, 04:57 PM | #50 |
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I'm so sorry to hear about this! I can't imagine how frustrating this must be.
Since it is cosmetic and not anything more, I would go the route of getting compensated if you wish to keep the car......I certainly would not want to deal with it going through major surgery! You just don't know the other issues that may arise down the road. Take the money if it's an option and it should be in the neighborhood of 10% of the price you paid in my opinion. $1-3K is not going to work!!! Don't settle for something low like that. If that's all they offer, I'd sell it back to the dealership! Good luck and keep us posted! |
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04-23-2021, 06:09 PM | #53 |
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He's taking it much easier than I would. I would absolutely NOT settle for anything but a buy back to be honest even being compensated for it wouldn't do it for me. This is a brand new LIMITED edition car that can't be replicated and isn't in production anymore. I would ask them for VERY specific technical details on how they would even approach replacing the roof and if I wasn't content, which I don't think I would be, I would start e-mailing/contacting BMW of USA and turning this into a big deal. If this was anything but the roof it would be acceptable to be repairable.
This is absolutely a shit situation and for me getting out of the car albeit disappointing would be the only solution. This isn't some used car purchase.
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At least in Spring 2018, BMW offered a CFRP roof for the F22 2er, F87 M2, F87 M2 LCI and F87 M2C as part of their M Performance Parts portfolio (BMW part # 41 31 2460277). Classic 'on top' CF roof (keeping the roof drip rail with flaps and roof rack anchorage points + roof bow) - not the M2 CS only 'integrated' sandwich-structured composite CF roof (the M2 CS does not feature roof drip rail with flaps and roof rack anchorage points and also does not feature a roof bow). For ordering and installation, customers were referred to their BMW M dealers (though I can imagine that most would outsource this type of uncommon operation, preferring to steer clear from screwing up a car - this ain't no 'plug & play' type of operation). Excerpt of a Spring 2018 interview with BMW M (see here): Quote:
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He's saying a normal body shop likely isn't qualified to do the work. If the work is even possible, because it's not just slapping on the non-structural CF panel. The structural roof on our car is bonded on with adhesive, and some other procedures unknown to most people if you didn't see it done on the factory floor.
I'd be very curious to see the documentation BMW sends the body shop on how replacement is done, to see if it's even possible without the car being declared totaled due to safety concerns. Maybe it is just as easy as slapping a new panel on and applying auto seam sealer, but I really doubt it. If it is, great news for all of us as we know it's an easy fix. Last edited by mchart; 04-23-2021 at 07:01 PM.. |
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And afterwards the interior will smell 'some kind of glue' for some time. It's sheer impossible to beat the precision of a KUKA robot at the BMW factory. This is an expensive operation (materials + labor) requiring experienced hands and dedication for achieving a near-perfect result (which also includes an immaculately preserved interior, everything properly reconnected, no creaks and zero niggles or gremlins in the future).
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Sorry to hear. I agreed with some post that asking BMW to buy back if possible because this is a limited run and not a mass production. It's not going to cost a few grands for sure so they might willing to compensate to avoid PR nightmare
I would email the CEO of bmw to file a complaint to start. His email can be found on google. We need to stick together because our CS are limited and if it happen to anyone of us then we should start a class action lawsuit |
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04-23-2021, 08:09 PM | #60 |
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Of course BMW is going to fix it under warranty the car is literally brand new
Not being hostile but BMW has a pattern with long term issue with M car such as subframe issue with E46 M3. Rod bearing etc. I had to deal with E46 subframe after the limited time warranty expired as a long term owner. I know this is one case only but once warranty expires, we will be stuck with the problem to deal with if this become a pattern. |
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After some thought and reading everyone's input I'm leaning towards trying to get BMW to buy back. It just makes me sick to the stomach having to send my brand new car in for major body work after just 1500 miles. I hope this is an isolated issue and no one else has to go through this. I'll keep you guys posted with any new developments. Thanks for the support!!
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On the other hand, if you can get the buyback that's a bird in hand that would be hard to refuse. You can most likely get another M2CS among the handful remaining in the US. Don't know if you have/wanted DCT vs. MT, or color options, but ultimately a brand new car would be a good outcome.
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If they push back, I would quite simply ask them how they would plan to replace the roof considering it’s a structural element of the car. I’d mention this is highly invasive surgery and that you’re more concerned (as they should be) about short and long term safety if the structure of a brand new car is compromised. Sounds silly but does this body shop or service center even know how the roof is made? What kind of technical documentation would they be getting from BMW for repair? Do they just have other roofs with that pattern laying around for a car that’s out of production ?BMW needs to own up to this, I think if you push back this hard they might try to press you to prove it didn’t happen while in your care but I don’t see with no scuffs or other identifiers them proving that Just remember you’ll get more out of them with sugar than salt, be nice |
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To supplement your install videos, here's a PDF of the official instructions for laying down an M Performance carbon fiber roof, on the M2. https://rparts-sites.s3.amazonaws.co...on%20instr.pdf Not exactly a CS top but extrapolating from this general instructions, I believe, more or less, it gives you the gist of what the job entails. No one asked for my 2 cents but I just want to say that if I was fortunate enough to have the pink slip to a CS, in an attempt to circumvent this inherent cosmetic defect, I would just do like Ferrari and Lambo and just paint my carbon fiber roof in the color of the body. - And right there, yet another one of life's perpetual problems is solved. |
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I might be wrong , but the procedure is a lot more different on the M2 CS (than the M2 Competition M performance roof)..Since its a structural part .. I would most probably leave it as it is.
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