[Bokke]

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

I'm probably not supposed to ask about costs, payments, and how people justify spending 90k on a car but I don't care because I'm an honest and open person. I imagine someone who's making payments on one of these is not paying anything less than 1000 a month. And I'm also assuming most of you aren't using it as a daily. And I'd wager most people didn't pay full cash. What is the key to being able to afford something like this aside from making a shit load of money? Because I make a decent income and I can't see myself spending that much on a car even though I'd want to. Obviously everyone's scenario is different and some of you that have supportive wives and that's incredible and awesome. You'd think a single guy like me would do whatever he wants with his money lol.

Cash, Daily & long term keeper!

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

I don't think I knew about them soon enough.

I can understand that. BMW really sprung this car on us quite suddenly.

[medphysdave]

BMW certainly had an interesting launch strategy. It's as if they didn't want to be tempted to produce more of them.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bimmed Out

I can understand that. BMW really sprung this car on us quite suddenly.

I respectfully disagree.

The M2 CS was repeatedly discussed on Bimmerpost (and other forums/websites), long before its official release early November 2019: power output, transmission, brakes, colors, wheels, etc.

An example: February 2019 post (almost 2 years ago):

Originally Posted by Artemis

By no means I made that up. That piece of information was based on 100% accurate information (and later also proved to be correct).

Most specs of the M2 CS were known long before the official release. But not everything that was heard through the grapevine, was also posted.

Bonus: an M2 CS test mule in March 2019: still featuring an armrest, but already featuring the alcantara steering wheel and M2 CS seats (but not yet in full Merino Leather). Purpose of that scoop picture ? 6MT will be available on the M2 CS:

[CarJunkie]

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

I'm probably not supposed to ask about costs, payments, and how people justify spending 90k on a car but I don't care because I'm an honest and open person. I imagine someone who's making payments on one of these is not paying anything less than 1000 a month. And I'm also assuming most of you aren't using it as a daily. And I'd wager most people didn't pay full cash. What is the key to being able to afford something like this aside from making a shit load of money? Because I make a decent income and I can't see myself spending that much on a car even though I'd want to. Obviously everyone's scenario is different and some of you that have supportive wives and that's incredible and awesome. You'd think a single guy like me would do whatever he wants with his money lol.

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

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You should move to Australia

He only needs to move across the Cascades. Smooth roads and lots of sunshine over here!

My 1M was a 3-season daily driver for its first 4 years and has become a track car.

My CS will be a 3 season daily driver for as long as the 1M lasts, and will then "assume the position".

The CS is replacing an X5 lease. With a reasonable downpayment, the monthly payment to purchase it at 0.9% isn't very far off from the lease I was paying. The enjoyment will far exceed that of the X5. I have my 4x4 tow rig for winter duty during the 2-3 months when it is cold enough to damage the PSS tires, but even then there will be a couple days every week warm enough to bring out the beast.

My wife knows I work hard, and knows I love to drive. My 17 y/o son is doing track days with me, and she even tried one. She is excited for the CS to arrive and will be driving it also.

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Then you probably didnt want it as much as others did..

For some , it could be their dream car , for others it could be just another car.

This is what it all comes down to. If there isn't enough passion for the car, you buy something else. If there is passion and desire to own but you don't have enough money....beg borrow and steal to get one.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Bimmed Out

I can understand that. BMW really sprung this car on us quite suddenly.

Originally Posted by Artemis

I respectfully disagree.

I was joking. The introduction of the M2 CS was perhaps the most prolonged teaser in world history.

[TheStiglet]

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

I'm probably not supposed to ask about costs, payments, and how people justify spending 90k on a car but I don't care because I'm an honest and open person. I imagine someone who's making payments on one of these is not paying anything less than 1000 a month. And I'm also assuming most of you aren't using it as a daily. And I'd wager most people didn't pay full cash. What is the key to being able to afford something like this aside from making a shit load of money? Because I make a decent income and I can't see myself spending that much on a car even though I'd want to. Obviously everyone's scenario is different and some of you that have supportive wives and that's incredible and awesome. You'd think a single guy like me would do whatever he wants with his money lol.

If $90K doesn't make financial sense, buy a used Comp for $55K and get 95% of the experience.

I'm dailying mine and it's fantastic. YOLO

[Bokke]

I wonder how many of the "dealer" spec'd cars are DCT? I would think a vast majority would be as they wouldn't want to sit with a manual gearbox!

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Bokke

I wonder how many of the "dealer" spec'd cars are DCT? I would think a vast majority would be as they wouldn't want to sit with a manual gearbox!

The irony, of course, is that they would not sit with a manual gearbox.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by TheStiglet

If $90K doesn't make financial sense, buy a used Comp for $55K and get 95% of the experience.

I'm dailying mine and it's fantastic. YOLO

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

I'm probably not supposed to ask about costs, payments, and how people justify spending 90k on a car but I don't care because I'm an honest and open person. I imagine someone who's making payments on one of these is not paying anything less than 1000 a month. And I'm also assuming most of you aren't using it as a daily. And I'd wager most people didn't pay full cash. What is the key to being able to afford something like this aside from making a shit load of money? Because I make a decent income and I can't see myself spending that much on a car even though I'd want to. Obviously everyone's scenario is different and some of you that have supportive wives and that's incredible and awesome. You'd think a single guy like me would do whatever he wants with his money lol.

Depends where you place value, and what makes you happy. How long do you plan to work. At what age do you want to start carving out some enjoyment. A lot of negative life circumstance can happen between now and the "age I should start spending". I hate that I love cars. They are too damn expensive. I don't have any other hobbies at the e moment. Save a lot. Earn what I think is a lot, I don't live in a flashy house. My car payment made me sick when I got it in the mail and I knew what it was going to be :P. I learned that the cost very quickly fades away as enjoyment takes over. It's my DD. Costco is still my favorite store. I certainly wouldn't put myself under financial stress for a car. I still enjoy my 2002 nissan xterra. Something about a good beater that has win written all over it. It's tough to beat a good truck for happiness.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by TheStiglet

If $90K doesn't make financial sense, buy a used Comp for $55K and get 95% of the experience.

I'm dailying mine and it's fantastic. YOLO

One of the reasons why Rennlist is a good site is that people don't complain about the prices of the Porsche cars on a daily basis. If you have the money for a car, then buy it.

To buy higher priced cars easier, you basically need a higher down payment. Either with more cash down or trading in a recent car worth something. The higher the down payment, the lower your loan balance and monthly payment.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I respectfully disagree.
The M2 CS was repeatedly discussed on Bimmerpost (and other forums/websites), long before its official release early November 2019: power output, transmission, brakes, colors, wheels, etc.
An example: February 2019 post (almost 2 years ago):
By no means I made that up. That piece of information was based on 100% accurate information (and later also proved to be correct).
Most specs of the M2 CS were known long before the official release. But not everything that was heard through the grapevine, was also posted.
Bonus: an M2 CS test mule in March 2019: still featuring an armrest, but already featuring the alcantara steering wheel and M2 CS seats (but not yet in full Merino Leather). Purpose of that scoop picture ? 6MT will be available on the M2 CS:

Artemis is right. First rumor of the CS was in late 2018. October 2018 I believe. After the release of the M3/M4 CS versions in 2017/2018, one had to assume a M2 CS was around the corner.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

This is what it all comes down to. If there isn't enough passion for the car, you buy something else. If there is passion and desire to own but you don't have enough money....beg borrow and steal to get one.

Exactly , AND even when you get one in one of those ways , then drive it like you stole it too !

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Artemis is right. First rumor of the CS was in late 2018. October 2018 I believe. After the release of the M3/M4 CS versions in 2017/2018, one had to assume a M2 CS was around the corner.

Of course, and no one is disagreeing. If you didn't know the M2 CS was coming, you were not paying attention to BMW (or at least the F87) for a long time.

[F87EVO]

I remember back then summer of 2019 asking for Artemis advice on the M2 CS/CSL through a PM !! He helped me , and here we are!

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Bimmed Out

The irony, of course, is that they would not sit with a manual gearbox.

The dealer i worked with specced 3, all with manual gearboxes, all gone either in advance or within a couple days of landing. I've called a couples dealers with 6 spds on autotrader that were in stock for longer than a few days, and they were reserved with large cash deposits. That was the only reason they were still sitting around.

Dealers that specced DCTs either did it cause of their local client base, or i presume, wanting a higher sale price.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

I remember back then summer of 2019 asking for Artemis advice on the M2 CS/CSL through a PM !! He helped me , and here we are!

Likely, BMW M appreciates that genuine enthusiasm for their cars on dedicated petrolhead BMW fan websites such as Bimmerpost and BMWBlog, contributes in promoting their cars. Personally I am by no means affiliated to BMW - just a friend of the brand who happens to buy their cars and post some trivia about it.

Originally Posted by RPM33

Artemis is right. First rumor of the CS was in late 2018. October 2018 I believe. After the release of the M3/M4 CS versions in 2017/2018, one had to assume a M2 CS was around the corner.

There was also that "initial" BMW M2 CS rumored much earlier.

Originally Posted by Artemis

The "M2 CS" scheduled for production from March 2018 onwards (March 2017 screenshot), later rebaptized "M2 Competition" (with delayed start of production in Summer 2018):


And this screenshot surfaced in September 2016:

[Skotcoop]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

He only needs to move across the Cascades. Smooth roads and lots of sunshine over here!

My 1M was a 3-season daily driver for its first 4 years and has become a track car.

My CS will be a 3 season daily driver for as long as the 1M lasts, and will then "assume the position".

The CS is replacing an X5 lease. With a reasonable downpayment, the monthly payment to purchase it at 0.9% isn't very far off from the lease I was paying. The enjoyment will far exceed that of the X5. I have my 4x4 tow rig for winter duty during the 2-3 months when it is cold enough to damage the PSS tires, but even then there will be a couple days every week warm enough to bring out the beast.

My wife knows I work hard, and knows I love to drive. My 17 y/o son is doing track days with me, and she even tried one. She is excited for the CS to arrive and will be driving it also.

Thats frickin sweet man. How much do you think you could get for the 1M? After you get the CS you'll have to let us know which one you like driving better.

[CarJunkie]

Originally Posted by Skotcoop

Thats frickin sweet man. How much do you think you could get for the 1M? After you get the CS you'll have to let us know which one you like driving better.

It shows its age and use pattern, LOL. I detailed it yesterday and it still cleans up well, but there is a LOT to see up close . . . it convinced me to bite the bullet and do full PPF+ceramic on the CS since its life will be the same. Live and learn!

Having said that, at 61k miles, modded, tracked, well sorted for track use, driver-quality car with some exterior blemishes . . . I could probably get 35-40k, maybe more if bought by a track rat who wanted all the extra's. It's a keeper, and I have already gotten my money's worth.

I will definitely post a delivery thread and leave some room for comparisons over time.

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

It's a keeper, and I have already gotten my money's worth. .

This ^

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

This ^

I agree completely. It's even fun at low speed. I'm loving the manual.

ptgltw I was watching a youtube video about the LTWs that have exchanged hand. It was also talking about Paul Walkers collection. The video mentioned the auction occurred in January 2020. I then had the realization that when I was at a meeting in Scottsdale Arizona in January 2020 and we decided not to go to the Barret Jackson auto auction......This was the auction where these cars were located. lol I would have liked to see this collection.