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I'm still on the fence as price is indeed a factor. Had my deposit down a year ago. We shall see. |
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12-18-2019, 11:23 AM | #884 | |
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But the same could be done for the CS as well. It will still have the advantages. |
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12-18-2019, 11:31 AM | #888 | |
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in the nurburgring this car is going to be at least 10 seconds faster. Watch. |
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12-18-2019, 11:36 AM | #889 | |
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I'm about spitballing the related M2 facts, never starting incendiary subjects. If I veered off, I promise it was by accident. |
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12-18-2019, 11:37 AM | #890 | |
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Point 2 - claim that the adaptive suspension is a downgrade. I'm not sure that's really true. Perhaps you feel that an aftermarket setup is better? but, we're talking about stock. Point 3, which repeats the incorrect assessment in point 1, is no longer relevant. Point 4 - the carbon rotors are optional. And based on what I understand, the car is still lighter (than the M2C) when you option it with steel rotors. So... when you consider all of that, your list is far less.... damning. |
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12-18-2019, 11:50 AM | #891 |
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I think people have different uses and expectations of cars. If you are a track/mountain road warrior and value function over form the CS doesn't bring much to the table. If you want a smooth ride over bumps, prestige and beautiful accessories straight from the factory then try for the CS and don't worry about what others think.
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Makes a lot sense.. |
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I would like to sit you down and bore you with all the pros of AS but based on your narrow-minded attitude, I could tell it would be a dead-end. So let just agree to disagree. No need to wait. |
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12-18-2019, 12:02 PM | #895 |
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As someone who just put the MP coil overs on their m2c, and has driven multiple thousands of miles in m3/4s including m4cs... the almost 3k it cost with install is a huge bargain, and a must have if you really care about your M2c... Makes the car feel 95% as precise as the Gt4 I test drove last weekend.
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12-18-2019, 12:19 PM | #896 | |
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As for the M2cs I don't see anything a downgrade vs M2c, maybe not what some would have hoped for but no one is forced to buy it if they don't like it. But I will say this, slap a set of Pilot Sport Cup 2 (oem M2cs tire) on an M2c and an OG M2 and you would be surprised of the results on a track. I bet they would M2c would be really close to M2cs.
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The BMW adaptive suspension is not really that great compared to the GM magnaride technology which Audi licensed.
I had a M235i with adaptive suspension. In some situations the computer would get it wrong. My M2C actually rides better at 85mph than my M235i. At higher speeds the dampers get really stiff on big bumps because the BMW adaptive suspension springs are soft. They do all the stiffening with the dampers. |
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I don't really have a stake in this argument...but I have always wondered if the active suspension in my F80 is broken. There's no appreciable difference in any of the modes, especially relative to the changes you get when changing the steering or throttle selections.
With that being said, I have never tracked the car, so it might be more apparent in those circumstances. The adaptive suspension in the M2CS isn't a positive or negative, based upon how I have experienced it in the M3. Just my $.02...
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12-18-2019, 12:28 PM | #899 |
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I'm going to play. Coilovers have a number of benefits when it comes adjustment of ride height, rake, and corner balancing. Adjustable coilovers have the benefit of being able to dial in settings for a specific need. You can dial in optimal settings for a multitude of different tracks or road conditions.
However, those settings need to be continually set for the specific condition of the moment. Otherwise you aren't really using those coilovers to their fullest potential. I proper track setting is likely not going to provide optimal compliance for the trip to and from the track or around town. An adaptive suspension in a CS model is likely going to give up the edge to a dialed in coilovers setup to a particular track. However, it would allow the user to spend zero time testing and dialing in settings for different tracks and conditions while proving a superior when compared to coilovers setup that hasn't been dialed in to the conditions. I'm willing to bet very few folks have the time and means to dial in a coilovers setup, and choose to use their favorite forum as guidance. This assumes you've matched the springs properly to your vehicle weight and tire selection. Don't forget to write down your street tire settings, track tire settings. Or do you swap springs between track outings and trips to/from work? |
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12-18-2019, 12:33 PM | #900 | |
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Lets say I'm in the 1%, I would just ad camber plates and track it as is. But in the first place I would not buy it because I get much better value with my M2 or an M2cs for trashing around a track like I do. I see all these ppl arguing about the car like its supposed to be the holy grail of sports cars and meet all possible criteria they have. You are all wasting your time if you have not defined what are the most important criterias for yourself, afterall your going to drive and there is always a compromise to be made, be it on price, comfort or performance.. The reason ppl refer so often to Porsche is because they probably have the product that is the closest to the equilibrum of all this. Not supercar $, base cars are track capable and they are pretty compliant in most forms. BMW is first sporty/luxury well built street cars and then they make track capable versions of them.
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Perhaps not to the same degree, but this does remind me of the narrow body vs wide body argument in the 993 world. I have a relatively rare 1-owner low mile 2S. Most people would agree that the regular Carrera 2 is the faster car, and I hear about it from time to time. Is the 2S really worth 2-3 times more because of a wider contact patch and more precise steering? Nope...hips, rarity, and the last n/a RWD air cooled, that’s it. The M2 CS isn’t an air cooled wide body, but it is an ultra-limited manual M car. Unsure how much longer we will have the opportunity to purchase things like that. The opportunity is here now, so I’m buying. Sure there are faster cars and cars offering more features or performance per dollar, but that’s not the value I see in this car. |
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