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TC Kline or Ohlins, input appreciated **updated**
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Looking into suspension and pretty much had it nailed down to the Ohlins coilovers with TCK camber plates. I like the single dial adjustability. Seems easy for a car that will be 80% street, 20% track. But I also like the idea of supporting a die hard track enthusiast that has given a lot back to the BMW racing community... I know on the M3/M4 forums a lot of guys have the TCK setup and love it, Im just wondering how easy it is to adjust. Any feedback would be appreciated... doing a WRL race at COTA in a couple weeks but my first DE in the M2c will be late Feb, so I have a little time to sort this out, but not a ton. Thanks! J.
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I have the TCK D/A kit on my E46 and it's been perfect for the past 7 years. I plan to get the same for my M2C within the year. I rode in a car with Ohlins RT and although it wasn't on the track, it felt very similar to OE; just lowered.
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Im happy with the Ohlin DFV R&Ts..….for my road and track application. Good everyday ride quality at 10+ clicks. I don't necessarily love the bottom adjustment..but oh well. Sorry..no experience with the TCKs for comparison.
Ill be at the WRL PDS on Friday. Stop by if you'd like to take a look (MGM #7). Last edited by M2C AW; 11-10-2019 at 10:39 AM.. |
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One thing...Koni dampers may not look the nicest but they're stupid reliable and perform really well in comparison to MCS/JRZ/Ohlins.
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Both the Ohlins and Koni dampers have a decent reputation for longevity. Can the MCS stand up to multiple years on a daily in all weather conditions, or do you trade off more frequent service for more sensitive dampers? |
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I guess I would ask this. Are you competitive, interested in improving and going as quick as you possibly can? Buy MCS. If not then I guess it doesn't matter what you buy. *I often see or hear of someone buying Ohlin R&T or KW Club Sports thinking they are top notch. Then a couple years later understanding that they are not that great. They then go with MCS or JRZ. Now that is a expensive route. Hopefully this is helpful. |
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I have no experience with TCK so cannot compare - but I am very happy with the Ohlins RT on my M2. Very capable on this platform on the track & still with good street manners. I run their suggested spring rates - very good no fuss setup imo.
Sorry - off topic - M2MGM you running over the weekend too at WRL or just there for Friday?
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Ohlins R&T and TC Kline Double Adjustable are both right around $3k. Looks like MCS 1w are a bit more for on the F8x platform for whatever reason, around $3,300. Springs and camber plates are another $1,100. The overkill you bring up for 2w or 3w is exactly what I’m trying to figure out for the $3k options vs the MCS. Support and service are certainly worth something. Sounds like TCK is at least s accessible as MCS, and my preferred local shop is an Ohlins dealer, including in house rebuild/revalve. FWIW, I’ve absolutely ruled out KW CS. At $5k, I’d absolutely go with your recommendation instead. This stuff is tough to work through. It’s at least as subjective as tires or brake pads, but at least I can experiment with those and find what works for me. With suspension, you’re stuck with it for a long time, or out a hefty sum to switch. On the other hand, coming from stock suspension, I’m sure any of these options will be a nice improvement. |
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Do you have wheels & tires figured out yet? With the larger spring perches vs oem you might need to consider this as well. I know with the Ohlins it is very, very tight - but I can run a 9.5" front with 285 Pirelli DH or 275 Hoosier R7 on the track. I back down to a 265 MP4S on the street. Run all these on 18" wheels. Not sure about the size of the MCS - maybe PrimeBMW can give you some feedback here. I want to say that Ohlins is on the larger size so MCS should have better clearance, but I'm definitely not 100%. Just something else to consider if you haven't already - a lot going on with our M2's.
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I’m running APEX FL-5 in 18x9.5 et28 fitted with Hankook RS4 265/35r18. I’ll want to be able to run 275s as well and prefer not to use spacers, though they aren’t completely out of the question. What offset are your 9.5s? Sounds like you’re shuffling plenty of tire in there despite the tight fit. |
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Thanks for all of the responses - this is exactly the conversation I was hoping to start...
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Thats for sure, but it is a tough decision. Right now MCS with camber plates look to be 5k range, Ohlins 3200 + camber plates, and TCK is 2900 WITH the Camber plates. For a car that is only doing to see a DE here and there for fun not sure if there's a huge handling / cost advantage in going MCS... but they sure are trick.
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The shop that I go to here in Portland is AR Motorsports. They have likely installed more MCS that anyone. Plus have helped prototype MCS for a number of platforms. They would likely be below $5000 for parts, install, alignment and corner balance. Between AR Motorsports and MCS you would get your track and street settings. The valving would also allow you to change spring rates if you like.
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I’ll probably reach out to them for a quote when I get closer. |
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Cool. Thanks for the rec. I sent MCS an email this morning but haven't heard back yet.
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I had TCKline Double adjustable on my M235i and loved them on track and on the street.
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