[supermann125]

Originally Posted by schnell325

I’m surprised no one is crystal balling the weight of this car ....

Based on the given power to weight ratio of 3.5, this puts it at 1575kg, or 3472.3 lbs. 3600 lbs for M2C, 130 lbs less.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

My opinion is that the price will make or break this car. Look at the competition (no M2 Competition, i mean actual competition for the car), there are a lot of options for $80K that aren't based on a 2 series.

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't feel there are "a lot" of options at 80k.
Ford GT350, Camaro ZL1, a lesser cayman perhaps?
MBenz=only have automatics, so no competition there
Audi=only have automatics, so no competition there
Alfa Quadrifoglio= only automatic, so no competition there.

Im either looking at the M2CS or the Cayman GT4, I have two kids in car seats still, so the M2 would be a little more practical... but who wants that?!

[goku7]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

One thing to keep in mind..M2CS basically has the Exec pkg included as opposed to a $1,500 option on any M2C. So for any comparison, it doesn’t make sense to show M2C base price under $60K. It’s not, as nobody in their right mind buys without the Exec pkg.

*cough* I did *cough* and I don't regret it one moment *cough* since I optioned it that way

[pz619]

Originally Posted by supermann125

Based on the given power to weight ratio of 3.5, this puts it at 1575kg, or 3472.3 lbs. 3600 lbs for M2C, 130 lbs less.

Think they used the power to weight figure based on the weight without fluids. They already published the driving weight at 1625 kg for the MT. Puts it at a whopping 18 pounds less than the M2C.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Video of M2 CS cold start sounds.

I glanced at a few posts first that mentioned the terri-bad sound of that thing and played it off as ear of the beholder... but DAAAYUUUUUM was that a horrible sounding exhaust!!!!!!
Not sure what was worse though... the song leading up to it or the exhaust!!!
im still #1 at my dealer for one. Here is hoping that it doesn't sound like that in person. If so, I will give my 1 in 500 spot to someone else!!!!!
cheers mates

[Supadice]

This forum should be renamed BUMMERPOST. Everyone is always complaining and bummed out. They put everything we wanted in the final version of the car. Stop complaining about the price we don't know anything official for the US. And this car is for people who want it period. If they want it they will pay.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Video of M2 CS cold start sounds.

It sounds absolutely horrific.

I've never understood why people rev a cold engine.

[Tornado1M]

There is no chance this car is priced over $100k in the USA????

That would be outrageous and more overpriced than the M3/4cs!!!!

I see what Artemis is saying price is in Europe....but, that would equate to well over $100k in USD. So, VAT has to be backed out I believe....otherwise, at $100k+ they will surely sit on dealer lots and potentially we could make a play for one in late 2020 with incentives and discounts.

[JustChris]

I'll save us some pages.

1. People... what's the weight?
2. Weight announced
3. People in disbelief
4. People it's not a CSL

Etc

[chris719]

Originally Posted by 10"

Yeah but the 1M was $47k and a one-off!! No variants.

This will likely be $90k+

It's not really the same situation. The 1M was a car a LOT of people could have bought; this, like the M3CS and M4CS, is expensive and will only appeal to a limited audience.

The M3CS and M4CS didn't exactly fly off the shelves...

Personally this M2CS just looks like an M2C with every catalogued M accessory added; doesn't feel like a unique car in that respect.

The biggest regret I have is not buying a 1M at MSRP when it came out. I could have driven it for 3 years for free almost.

Totally agree though, the 1M and even OG M2 sold quickly because of the price. This car is for BMW M fans only. No one else in their right mind would pay 80-90k for an M2 variant. It is very hard to argue this is a competitive car performance-wise for the price when it will be approaching 718 Cayman GTS territory and solidly in C8 territory.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I'll save us some pages.

1. People... what's the weight?
2. Weight announced
3. People in disbelief
4. People it's not a CSL

Etc

Correct, it isn't.

It's a Clubsport. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Supadice

This forum should be renamed BUMMERPOST. Everyone is always complaining and bummed out. They put everything we wanted in the final version of the car. Stop complaining about the price we don't know anything official for the US. And this car is for people who want it period. If they want it they will pay.

It's an awesome car, we all know that. You're right that people will complain about anything.

At the same time, I feel like the CS models are really not competitive with what GM and some other manufacturers are doing with their top models. When you move from a C7 Z51 to a Z06 or a Camaro SS to a ZL1, you get a massive increase in performance for that price difference.

They are (probably) charging a lot of money for the power the engine already makes in the M4, adaptive dampers already in the M4, and cosmetic treatments. It would be nice if they did something substantial with that money like widen the fenders slightly more so they can fit in something > 245/265, or some actually new parts.

[Artemis]

AFAIK:

• "CS" stands for "Club Sport" or "Clubsport"
• "CS" does neither stand for "Coupé Sport" nor for "Competition Sport" (though that moniker was used back in 2016 for 60 special M4 cars sold on the Spanish market: see here and here);
• "CSL" stands for "Coupé Sport Leichtbau" ("Coupé Sport Lightweight (construction)").

See more in general the dedicated thread by moderator Law here ("Origins of BMW CS & CSL Models").

However, some press mentions that "CS" in "M2 CS" stands for "Competition Sport".

BMW launch materials expressly refer to "Clubsport" (see here):

This immensely capable car also serves as a basis for the BMW M2 CS Racing model, BMW M Motorsport’s new entry point to amateur racing and the new Clubsport segment from the 2020 season.

“The joint development of the BMW M2 CS and BMW M2 CS Racing underscores the close links between BMW Motorsport and BMW M GmbH,” explains Markus Flasch, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW M GmbH. “Our skillsets converge at the midway point between high-performance cars for the road and all-out racing machines – i.e. in the expanding Clubsport segment. We’re covering this niche with the Clubsport variant of the BMW M2 CS Racing and will be working in a similar direction with future special-edition models from BMW M.”

[535i MSport]

€95,000 is over £80k. A fully optioned M2C is just under £60k.

That's outrageous and much better spent on the new M3/4 in my opinion, which should be a better car. Let's see how that turns out!!!!!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Correct, it isn't.

It's a Clubsport. ��������

Yes I know this mate, its called M2CS.....I mean people defend its lack of weight loss by saying its noy a CSL soooo...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I'll save us some pages.

1. People... what's the weight?
2. Weight announced
3. People in disbelief
4. People it's not a CSL

Etc

BMW has really doubled down on the ///Marketing. People are getting confused and think the CS model is something exotic. Unfortunately shaving insignificant amounts of sprung weight by using carbon body panels doesn't do much.

The annoying parts of this whole exercise are the lies and deception in the marketing. They keep repeating the solid subframe mounts and rear suspension like it's new, but it's been the same since the OG M2. They lied in older interviews where they said the passive suspension was best for the M2, clearly they were just saving it for their ///MoneyMaker. Just like they lied about the mirrors on the OG M2.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by chris719

BMW has really doubled down on the ///Marketing. People are getting confused and think the CS model is something exotic. Unfortunately shaving insignificant amounts of sprung weight by using carbon body panels doesn't do much.

The annoying parts of this whole exercise are the lies and deception in the marketing. They keep repeating the solid subframe mounts and rear suspension like it's new, but it's been the same since the OG M2. They lied in older interviews where they said the passive suspension was best for the M2, clearly they were just saving it for their ///MoneyMaker. Just like they lied about the mirrors on the OG M2.

100%

[///M Performance]

Originally Posted by williesm

So much Money for a 2series, my m4individual costs this?!
I am not a fan of the CS, but your m4 is a 2series. Same engine, same suspension, same differential, same nav and tech.

I'm a really big fan of these new mini ///M but not for these price.
Btw. Do you say the same of the X2 to the X4?
Or the X3 to the X5?

Nothing on 2series/4series(take it like you want) quality is it actually worth to be priced like a Porsche. Not on the racetrack times and not on the daily plastic dashboard quality.

You forget you become the VAT back. We can only buy it here for the fat price and than these superhot M2 is the price NOT WORTH. For these money you can buy here a regular m2 and a 118i for wintertimes!

[Artemis]

September 2019:

Originally Posted by Artemis

If you refer to weight (apart from improved braking endurance and heat management) of M-CCB: the article mentions 43 kg weight difference between the tested cars, of which -21.7 kg because of M-CCB, -7.5 kg because of CFRP bonnet/hood and -4 kg because of CFRP roof (Sandwich-structured composite: "you can stand on the new roof - you cannot stand on the previous one").

Originally Posted by Artemis

Hey, maybe you can play chess or chequers on it this time around.

Here's what I meant:

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Artemis

September 2019:

Here's what I meant:
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It's 1x1 plain weave......the best CF weave.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by 10"

This is a huge missed opportunity for BMW.

They could have released a lightweight, stripped out M2 with 400hp and it would have flown off the shelves at $90k. Instead they released a 444hp car with added cosmetic stuff and gimmicky aesthetics which is essentially a modified M2C.

I realize that BMW's clientele these days aren't exactly purists who seek out minimalism; but are in fact people who just want options——however this car is a disappointment when it should have been a total champion of 'back to basics'!

I sort of agree, but I think trying to make the F87 lighter is hard for a platform that's nearly done with production.

If there is a BMW that begs for the treatment you are talking about, it's the Z4.

Imagine if they released a Z4 M CS or CSL. The new CLAR chassis with S58 engine, 6MT, carbon fixed roof. That would be a serious car based on the numbers the Z4 M40i already puts down.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I glanced at a few posts first that mentioned the terri-bad sound of that thing and played it off as ear of the beholder... but DAAAYUUUUUM was that a horrible sounding exhaust!!!!!!
Not sure what was worse though... the song leading up to it or the exhaust!!!
im still #1 at my dealer for one. Here is hoping that it doesn't sound like that in person. If so, I will give my 1 in 500 spot to someone else!!!!!
cheers mates

The official video sounds better but it may have been enhanced. The S55 exhaust has never sounded all that great in any application though. And EU versions have been neutered a bit more due to repressive new laws. This version should come standard with MPE though. And maybe offer a clear coat only CF hood and trunk as an option. The trunk should have the interior frame have m performance font molded into it like the one at bimmerfest and with the individual paint options no extra charge. Not sure if that was like a military or gun metal gray.