[gmazet]

Originally Posted by tranck

Plus, I'm 6'5" - getting in and out of that thing would kill me.
And the BMW build quality vs. a Chevy? No thanks.

I bought a C6Z new. zero build quality issues. I assume you mean, is it broken?

I ordered an M2C, it came with a missing cam follower in the HPFP assembly. 3 "drivetrain malfunction" visits until dealer figured it out.

I've bought 3 other GM cars new, no issues

I've bought 3 other BMW's new. X3 ok, X5 OK, E92N54 bad HPFP at 14K miles

GM Build quality > BMW based on my sample size..

i love my M2c btw.. it's a blast to drive, looks great, roomy for me (and a passenger, it's a 2 seater for me). quick, responsive, handles and stops great. it will get shit on by the vette but I still love it.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by gmazet

Motor Trend Review

For decades, we made excuses for the Corvette's foibles, arguing its performance per dollar trumped all else. The C7 changed that, showing us Chevy could afford to make the Corvette nice, too, in addition to fast. Still, it wasn't as nice as the cars it was beating on the stopwatch.
No more. The C8 is not only powerful, but, dare we say, it's also the most premium-feeling Corvette that Chevrolet has ever made. It's the quickest Corvette to ever roll off the assembly line and up to a stoplight, and it somehow still starts at $60,000. And this is just the beginning.

Yeah, it was an interesting review. Although I will note that the braking issues and the unpredictability of understeer vs spin raises some red flags for me. I'm not saying the M2C is perfect or stable, but it's predictable and predictably unstable on the rear end, which makes it fun/easy to drive. I can see having to unlearn and relearn my brake and throttle modulations to drive the C8 as frustrating, but cannot deny those performance numbers.

[CompetentAccountant]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Yeah, it was an interesting review. Although I will note that the braking issues and the unpredictability of understeer vs spin raises some red flags for me. I'm not saying the M2C is perfect or stable, but it's predictable and predictably unstable on the rear end, which makes it fun/easy to drive. I can see having to unlearn and relearn my brake and throttle modulations to drive the C8 as frustrating, but cannot deny those performance numbers.

Just for some perspective... here's a Farrari GTB review from Motor Trend: https://www.motortrend.com/news/ferr...t-drivers-car/

"It would create quite a bit of understeer, and I'd be pushing enough that I couldn't go to power. So I realized the best strategy was to stay off the power longer and let it get turned more for a really late apex, so I could straighten up and just shoot down that next straightaway because it gains speed with amazing rapidity."

"I was not real happy with the brakes. I didn't get that initial bite, you know, not like the Corvette. You know good old GM?" (referring to the C7 here)

Who here wouldn't want the 2017 488 GTB with abysmal reviews like that??

IMO once you reach a certain performance threshold, splitting hairs doesn't matter to the buyer as much as the design language and IMO that's where the C8 wins. I'm sure GM will tune everything as they race it and the platform evolves, but in the meantime... the looks (in no small part due to the engine configuration) are enough to sell it alone.

The only thing that can kill the demand for it is if they somehow have reliability issues (like the Alfa's, who just can't get away from the stigma).

[heavyD^2]

I would imagine GM will dial in less understeer for the higher performance versions. I can understand why they made the base car somewhat safe handling as they know their demographic well and are protecting owners from killing themselves. That straight line acceleration is very impressive even if at $90k the car isn't exactly the bargain the artificial $60k launch price made it out to be.

[gmazet]

Farrah One Take Video

starts off giddy, on reflection, good first effort but still not great world beater. still a corvette (good and bad connotation)

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I would imagine GM will dial in less understeer for the higher performance versions. I can understand why they made the base car somewhat safe handling as they know their demographic well and are protecting owners from killing themselves. That straight line acceleration is very impressive even if at $90k the car isn't exactly the bargain the artificial $60k launch price made it out to be.

What you’re describing should be the base car. The z51 should handle properly, as there’s no reason for posers to get that package.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by gmazet

I ordered an M2C, it came with a missing cam follower in the HPFP assembly. 3 "drivetrain malfunction" visits until dealer figured it out.

Glad to hear your issue finally sorted out.

What was the final verdict?

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by gmazet

Farrah One Take Video

starts off giddy, on reflection, good first effort but still not great world beater. still a corvette (good and bad connotation)

Best video by far on the car.

[gmazet]

Originally Posted by 1mm2

Glad to hear your issue finally sorted out.

What was the final verdict?

missing cam follower in the HPFP for bank 2. from the factory. BMW/German Kawilty

[Soygen]

I love the M2, but I would probably take the new Vette over it. That said, with a 3 year old and a 10 year old, I'm stuck needing at least somewhat of a backseat for a while. The M2 has just enough!

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Modern corvettes are true sports cars - M2 and M2c are sporty cars not sport cars. I can’t get over the douche factors of Corvettes though

Pretty much but I'll rephrase for youZ
Bmw in general is sporty. M2 and it's M friends are taking a DAILY Driver focused car and making it trackable.

A Corvette is purpose built for tracking.

The stingray is taking a corvette and making it daily driver friendly. But in reality the M2 and Corvette are far too different to be considered competitors.

Corvette competes with 911 or Evora. BMW doesn't offer a purpose built sports car. i8 sort of and M next is the proposed corvette competitor.

[boostm3]

You guys see the latest real world dyno numbers yet?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-c8-power-dyno

[Evil///M]

Originally Posted by boostm3

You guys see the latest real world dyno numbers yet?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-c8-power-dyno

Wow that's impressive

[5.M0NSTER]

Got to love Naturally Aspirated V8.

[Conissah]

Lol, welp here you are folks. Delayed.

https://www.motor1.com/news/380819/2...te-c8-delayed/

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by Conissah

Lol, welp here you are folks. Delayed.

https://www.motor1.com/news/380819/2...te-c8-delayed/

February: Not a good time to take delivery of a Vette, its winter for 7/8's of the country.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by ContactPatch

February: Not a good time to take delivery of a Vette, its winter for 7/8's of the country.

I am 100% prepared to watch all these new C8's lose control leaving their local Cars and Coffee on cold tires.

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by Conissah

I am 100% prepared to watch all these new C8's lose control leaving their local Cars and Coffee on cold tires.

They are crashing them already on dry-warms roads...I will be at the Cars and Coffee this winter too (wink)!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ContactPatch

They are crashing them already on dry-warms roads...I will be at the Cars and Coffee this winter too (wink)!

1st one is real... 2nd one is a Ferrari 488 photoshop...

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ASAP

1st one is real... 2nd one is a Ferrari 488 photoshop...

Good eye!

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by ASAP

1st one is real... 2nd one is a Ferrari 488 photoshop...

Great eye, thanks for catching that, I would have never seen it.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by gmazet

I bought a C6Z new. zero build quality issues. I assume you mean, is it broken?

I ordered an M2C, it came with a missing cam follower in the HPFP assembly. 3 "drivetrain malfunction" visits until dealer figured it out.

I've bought 3 other GM cars new, no issues

I've bought 3 other BMW's new. X3 ok, X5 OK, E92N54 bad HPFP at 14K miles

GM Build quality > BMW based on my sample size..

i love my M2c btw.. it's a blast to drive, looks great, roomy for me (and a passenger, it's a 2 seater for me). quick, responsive, handles and stops great. it will get shit on by the vette but I still love it.

This is one of those great marketing successes. Because German engineering superior to ze Americans. I mentioned this in another thread concerning both my former BMW and my 718. Both had issues. I’ve had two minor recalls on the Boxster. The DCT on the 135is was always trying to kill me and would bend rims at the blink of an eye. I still love both vehicles.

Say what you will about the interior which has been fine since the C7, but all I’ve had to do in almost 30,000 miles is oil changes and air filters. Oil changes are like $60 at the dealer. Porsche dealer in DC wanted over $700 to change the oil on my Boxster so I found a more qualified independent mechanic who charges about 1/3. I don’t even think I need spark plugs on the stingray until 100,000 miles. Despite the initial price if you want to say it’s expensive, it’s cheap to own. I’m on the list for my C8. It’s a bargain IMO.