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M235IR Catless Downpipe for M2?
Any M2 Owners think about buying the M235IR catless downpipe to help keep that factory warranty they worry about?
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Bmw factory racing parts (m235ir included) don't include warranties.
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I don’t understand people that add down pipes to their M cars. It completely defeats the smog system on the car and is illegal in most states for road use.
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In regards to legality that is up to the individual end user and I will not comment on that part.
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In fact, some dealers would strait up refuse to work on a vehicle with an aftermarket downpipe, if the problem seems reasonably related to the modification. Also, all major emission control devices and ancillaries (catalyst, turbos, ECU, etc) are extended for up to 8 years or 80,000 miles mandatory manufactures coverage. So you're pretty much throwing that extended coverage out the window by tampering with the catalyst. . Last edited by Poochie; 09-12-2019 at 08:09 PM.. |
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In my opinion if you want to mod the car you have to be prepared to accept the risks associated with said modifications and not depend on the warranty for replacements, and that being said that is generally the mindset of most enthusiasts. Again this all comes down to risk tolerance in the endless search for performance, some people are able to tolerate said risk some are not. An 8 year extended warranty is pretty much useless if it pertains to parts that limit performance, why would you want to replace a catalytic converter if the whole point was to delete it to gain performance. I highly doubt a turbo is covered under the warranty as it has nothing to do with the emissions system, if a turbo is covered so should the cylinder head, it's pretty much the same logic if you think a turbo is covered then everything that has to do with the exhaust gas must be covered. If that was the case every N54 guy should have had their turbos replaced for waste gate rattles up until 2018. Either way turbo warranty for 8 years to a serious enthusiast is already way too long as it would have already been upgraded. Ecu I doubt it, as long as it doesn't throw a fault code for the emission system like O2 sensors or obd2 readiness then it won't apply for that extended warranty. Likely this emissions control device warranty only applies to the catalytic converter and O2 sensors. So in essence if you're willing to get a downpipe for performance the warranty means nothing to you.
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For some countries like Australia they have smog testing and engineered road worthy tests, so you could run high flow catalytic converters and still be able to pass smog and be perfectly road legal. But I can't comment on why some people disregard smog laws.
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What's the next move? The dealer can do whatever they want, sure you can litigate but prepare to spend triple the cost towards useless lawyers.. I'm sure when the judge hears you tampered with a federally mandated emission control device, that will win you a lot of points. I'm not a tree-hugger and I couldn't care less about the rules but facts is facts, take your vehicle in with an aftermarket downpipe installed and they will outright refuse to cover anything remotely related, under the manufacture warranty. The chart below applies only in some US states but it shows the turbocharger falls under the extended emission coverage: Last edited by Poochie; 09-12-2019 at 11:54 PM.. |
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So back to your points, if you asked me what my next move would be, it clearly be legal matters, or depending on how your law works filing a complaint with consumer reports, if the issue wasn't caused by the downpipe, or move to a different dealership. If it was caused by the downpipe then suck it up and pay for it yourself. Legal fees depend on if you're going to use a specialty lawyer or not, or if you file a direct complaint for investigation. Like I said if you're willing to modify the vehicle you have to be willing to accept any risk going forward, but I'm not willing to be pushed around by imbeciles without any car knowledge who are too lazy to honor a warranty claim and blame everything on aftermarket parts. In regards to legality of said modification that varies from location to location, and use of said modifications (off road, private roads etc). For me I do believe in protecting the environment which is why all my road cars (including my m2) have factory catalytic downpipes in them and are not modified in anyway shape or form. But for my track cars they are all heavily modified, and that is slated to happen for my m2 soon (after the warranty is done since all my mods will void the warranty, and I want to test the car stock for any factory defects before I end up paying out of pocket. I did not wait with my e46 m3 and that's when I payed for all of it's defects rod bearings, subframe, throttle body, vanos all withing the warranty period because as I said I will take responsibility (as should all enthusiasts who mod imo) for any issues that may arise due to my own modifications). I don't know which dealerships you go to but my area is subaru heavy (engines blow all the time due to weak ring lands and poor factory tunes), the dealers see modded subarus come in all the time and still will replace the engines free of charge under warranty as long as the modifications don't influence the engine failure. Samething happened with E92 m3's and rod bearing failures, individuals with catback exhausts were still able to seek warranties, or stage 1 tuned cars with differential issues. Literally dealerships here sell supercharged frs's and even explain if an issue were to arise and it was related to the supercharger no warranty will be given, but if it wasn't due to the supercharger then it would be fine, in this case most of the power train would be voided since it is a power upgrade but they can't deny all of the vehicle's warranty. I didn't know the turbo was warrantied in the US, but that may not be true for every country. Overall the emissions warranty would be irrelevant if you were going to get an after market downpipe anyways like I said before.
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You don't think those Dinan tunes don't cause your car to emit more emissions than the car was designed from the factory? The point is that owners of turbocharged vehicles from every brand have been installing aftermarket downpipes for decades. In this day and age downpipes are one of the few mods that leads to legit power gains on a stock turbocharger. Exhausts and intakes are strictly noise/styling mods. Personally I'm not a fan of going catless but if some people want to do that then that's their decision. As for smog and legality thing it's one car and one person's personal choice and it's about as illegal as jaywalking. People do it all the time and nobody goes to prison for it.
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