Let's discuss the BMW "M2 CS" rumor: will there be a hardcore M2 variant 2019/2020 ?

Project_F87 · 08-22-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DDS2015

Likely yes.

However I've also heard that the 6MT is rated to a certain hp/tq number, so if it exceeds that the transmission manufacture may not warranty it.

Why would that matter? The M3/4 competition have the same 6MT as the M2C 6MT

DDS2015 · 08-22-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Project_F87

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Originally Posted by DDS2015

Likely yes.

However I've also heard that the 6MT is rated to a certain hp/tq number, so if it exceeds that the transmission manufacture may not warranty it.

Why would that matter? The M3/4 competition have the same 6MT as the M2C 6MT

The comment was with respect to why the M2 CS won't have the same tune as the M4CS.

The M4CS has higher torque figure than the ZCP. BMW has said that the 6MT can't handle the additional torque in the CS, hence why it's DCT only (their excuse at least).

If they want to offer the M2CS with the 6MT then that's another reason why it won't have the same tune as the M4CS. Not just model hierarchy.

Project_F87 · 08-22-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DDS2015

The comment was with respect to why the M2 CS won't have the same tune as the M4CS.

The M4CS has higher torque figure than the ZCP. BMW has said that the 6MT can't handle the additional torque in the CS, hence why it's DCT only (their excuse at least).

If they want to offer the M2CS with the 6MT then that's another reason why it won't have the same tune as the M4CS. Not just model hierarchy.

Oh that's the direction you were going in, gotcha

Yeah I agree

2nd chance · 08-23-2019, 03:07 PM

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...

Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...

M2 CS?

RPM33 · 08-23-2019, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...

Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...

M2 CS?

Sounds like it. Where is this preview located?

DDS2015 · 08-23-2019, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RPM33

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...

Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...

M2 CS?

Sounds like it. Where is this preview located?

+1

That puts a launch in roughly end of February/early March which is in line with previous rumors.

Probably a no phones/pictures event.

medphysdave · 08-23-2019, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...

Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...

M2 CS?

That would agree with why we've heard potential reveals for September and November.

jayely1 · 08-24-2019, 01:15 AM

..But they're only making <2000 so no one is even going to get to buy one..?

Bimmed Out · 08-24-2019, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jayely1

..But they're only making <2000 so no one is even going to get to buy one..?

Yeah, might as well cancel the whole thing.

medphysdave · 08-24-2019, 06:51 AM

Maybe everyone with an invite will get an option for a build slot if they go. I think someone mentioned a release in September with an option to place an order at that time.

as7920 · 08-24-2019, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...

Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...

M2 CS?

Who was your invite from? Your dealer? BMW? Local country?

Was an email? Social media or post/letter?

akkando · 08-24-2019, 10:52 PM

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I was starting to think this same thing. It's going to feel really basic. Would be nice if it at least came with latest idrive. Basic and modern is different than basic and outdated.
I don't use any of the added tech in my f-type, but I do notice the nav system feels like Atari.

Remember Porsche in the past using those "Becker" radios/head units. For crying out loud. Maybe "because racecar" ?

Honestly I'm thinking about a no nav used car because it won't seem as obviously out dated because it won't have shitty software because it has no software.

Artemis · 08-25-2019, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

So, today I got an official invite to a preview of a new "limited" M- product...
Preview in september, official launch in 6 months...
M2 CS?

Very recently, another Belgian forum fellow also received an invite:

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Originally Posted by dgm3

Got an invitation to preview the latest M model.
Advertised as a very limited edition, featuring light carbon fiber, unique interior and equipments inspired by racing. Preview second half of September (in Brussels) , claimed to be 6 months before the official launch.
What else could it be than the M2 CS ?

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Originally Posted by dgm3

The mail says clearly limited edition (see below but sorry it is in French) so cannot be the M3

Félicitations ! Vous avez été identifié par un membre de la communauté BMW M en Belgique ou au Luxembourg comme étant parmi les premiers à avoir le privilège de découvrir le dernier modèle de la gamme BMW M en avant-première, soit 6 mois avant tout le monde !
LIMITED EDITION.
Ce modèle unique sera produit dans une édition très limitée et vous offrira un plaisir de conduite inégalé. Il met en vedette la fibre carbone ultralégère, un intérieur unique et des équipements inspirés de la course automobile de haute performance, ainsi que le vrombissement typique M pour faire vibrer le macadam à chaque course.

Congrats, guys, enjoy the preview !

medphysdave · 08-25-2019, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by akkando

Honestly I'm thinking about a no nav used car because it won't seem as obviously out dated because it won't have shitty software because it has no software.

There is truth in what you have written.

as7920 · 08-25-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Very recently, another Belgian forum fellow also received an invite:

Congrats, guys, enjoy the preview !

BMW Benelux did this before with the 1M didn't they? Alpine White IIRC although it was much closer to launch than the M2 CS is currently.

Someone managed to get in a sneaky phone pic!:

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468085

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476283

2nd chance · 08-26-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jayely1

..But they're only making <2000 so no one is even going to get to buy one..?

probably marketing...

Can I order one?
NO, but they might redirect me to the next M3 or maybe a M4CS (lots of them available).

2nd chance · 08-26-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RPM33

Sounds like it. Where is this preview located?

Brussels brand store...

2nd chance · 08-26-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

Who was your invite from? Your dealer? BMW? Local country?

Was an email? Social media or post/letter?

Invite by "BMW News", BMW Group BELUX, E-mail

jayely1 · 08-28-2019, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 2nd chance

probably marketing...

Can I order one?
NO, but they might redirect me to the next M3 or maybe a M4CS (lots of them available).

Many online articles are saying the same thing about <2000.

Artemis · 09-08-2019, 07:15 PM

OK, the M2 CS base price cannot be as expensive as this M2 Competition kitted out with many M Performance Parts...

(picture: Xindicate)

...but let's brace ourselves for the M2 €$.

medphysdave · 09-08-2019, 08:01 PM

I looked at that list and tried to figure out what makes sense, but couldn't. There's a difference between parts added to a manufactured car at the factory, and paying full retail for aftermarket parts. For instance, the M2C comes with a set of wheels. The cost of wheels for M2CS would add in the neighborhood of 763M wheels minus cost of M2C wheels.

What is the "optional equipment"?

M4C already comes with some carbon parts and most of what's in M2CS. It sells for less than 75k US.

Does the mperformance part list include port installation? That labor also adds to the cost.

Artemis · 09-08-2019, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by medphysdave

What is the "optional equipment"?

Options featuring in the options list. In Europe we don't have an equivalent of "M2 Executive Package". It's more à la carte instead of all-in.

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