05-02-2019, 02:51 PM | #67 |
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For those who missed the 'closed deck' rap battle.
In the past an epic-esque debate raged on this forum tackling the question whether the N55B30T0 engine powering the base M2 was 'open deck' or 'closed deck'. I had my doubts about the accuracy of official initial BMW 'closed deck' information and explained on the forum why I believed the base M2 engine to be 'open deck'. To my eyes, there was a mismatch of information. By doing so I inevitably challenged the official initial BMW information stating 'closed deck' (threads: here, here, here and here). Some forum fellows kindly commented that I got it wrong ("rather weak conjecture" as someone coined it). The discussion seemed to be sealed after 'closed deck' confirmation by e-mail by BMWNA (when inquired by some forum fellow in order to end the forum discussion for once and for all). This 'closed deck' confirmation didn't convince me and I persisted: 'open deck'. Some lost their temper and in some way or another blamed me for not being capable of handling the (alleged) 'closed deck' truth. And later the final answer came through: BMWNA confirmed in the end that - as I had supposed - the M2 engine is effectively 'open deck'. All 'closed deck' references have vanished from BMW M2 press releases and the BMWNA website. And, some forum fellows of the 'flat earth society' who had been rather unkind with me without merit, went quiet. Before - twice the mistaken 'closed deck' reference (former link, now dead: https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models/m2.html): After (former link, now re-allocated: https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models/m2.html): M2 Competition and M2 CS, on the other hand, feature an S55 engine = closed deck engine layout.
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I love that this thread references a 1 mm difference in the thickness of the steering wheel.
I mean, I really do. We're all insane....
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Long thread and I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before.
I think main differences you will feel when driving M2 vs M2C back to back depends on: a. Power and power delivery. M2C has a stronger engine. b. Steering. Mechanically this is the same, but totally reprogrammed (to the better). This was one of the main criticts of M2 OG. I recommended reprogram to M2C which is fairly easy. c. Electronic diff. This is also reprogrammed and will really change feel when driving spiritually. d. M2C is more heavy in the nose which might be mistaken for added stability. Forget things like: a. Suspension. This is just the same. b. Front brace. Looks nice, but M2 is already stiff. It might be noticeable on a track. c. Steering wheel. I changed from standard to M Performance Wheel. It has a nice grip, but it will just not change character of the car;-)
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Of course the CS will be faster, the de-tune will be removed. Shockingly, the next gen M2 will be faster than the current M2/M2C/M2CS.
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I just want someone to lay under the back of their M2C and show me these "extra heim joints" (that, to be honest, I don't believe exist) Edit - for the record, I searched yesterday for "fun" and I could find no reference to BMW actually stating the M2C suspension was changed in any way. |
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That is because the big differences are a new engine and recoded software.
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I'll chime back in here too. The ride is better. If the ride was worse, I'd be the first one to say so. FWIW, BMW NA told me over the phone that suspension tuning was "relaxed". Everyone seems to be comparing part numbers, not actual driving experiences or comparing the OG to the C on the road. And yes, I think I was one of the first to also point out the steering wheel circumference was reduced lol. Also count me among the group that would say a 100 lb weight difference will not make a significant change in ride quality. Having three people in my car doesn't somehow make the ride smoother.
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How far north in CT are you? I'm on the NY/CT border if you want to compare cars.
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As I have previously posted, I have owned both a 2017 M2 and 2019 M2C. I have taken both to Laguna Seca. The M2C handles better, the steering is more responsive and turn ins are very precise. The throttle response is faster and the S55 put power down sooner. For example, coming out of Turn 11 (sharp hairpin), I can accelerate as soon as I straighten out the wheel and I'm going well above 110 at start/finish line. And don't get me going about the brakes, I took the M2 to Laguna Seca twice and I warped 2 sets of front rotors; the M2C brakes didn't even squeak after a full day of 5 tracks sessions. The M2C is a better M car in every way. Both M2s are factory stock w/6 speed.
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The same can be said for you, just another OG M2 justifying over paying for a car that was made better a year later. Funny how that works...
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Since this thread is pointless and has been likened to a rap battle by Artemis all I’m going to add is
Fuck the S55 and the clique you claim |
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