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There's always something better, quicker, faster, lighter on the horizon. Waiting for the "best" will keep you in a perpetual holding pattern.
In my opinion the newer cars are getting better and better on paper, but becoming more clinical. Quicker around a track yes, but arguably less fun in a day to day environment. Choose your weapon. You may find that the "better" car isn't as fun in the environment where you play the most. Forgot the point: Jump in when your heart says "you complete me". |
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We don't know what the next gen will look like, if it's heavier, if it uses b58 or s58, or if the s58 is even any good. We are reasonably sure it will be rwd and not awd, but who knows, maybe they do an AWD version as well? Very likely MT still offered. No idea on 4 door version, but seems possible since there will be 2 series GC in the future. I guess individual paint might be offered on next gen. |
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They'll be better prepared this time around for emission changes and alter the G87's B58 to meet standards, even for their Competition variant. If the G87 does ever get a S58, it will be a end of production, special edition vehicle, like the upcoming M2 CS. It's not that BMW hates potential G87 owners but more of lines of basic economics. It difficult to keep the G87 within a "entry-level" price range (under 60k US), factoring in inflation and give customers everything they want, all at the same time. Comprises will have to made for the G87's marketing plan to be feasible. |
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I'm not very sure if any non S-engine variant of the next M2 will sell well. Most would probably wait around for the Competition version with the S58 dropped in. This is all assuming they follow a similar path to this M2. |
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I think the M2 sporting the S55 may have been meant for the CS but they dropped it into the M2C early in order to pass the strict emission laws. It is all water under the bridge at this point. I can't wait to see the CS with the Carbon Fiber roof etc. I think it will cut into the M4 sales but I doubt that BMW really cares as long as they sell cars.
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Though it could be just another urban legend (I have not seen videos surfacing of an M2 test mule with discernible S55 sound back in 2015), it makes sense to me: BMW M managed to rather quickly perform an engine overhaul from N55 (original M2) to detuned S55 (M2 Competition) because of tightened EU emissions legislation. Instead of offering the S55 as expensive 'angry sibling', the N55 was taken off the menu and M2 fans were generously served an S55 M2 for a competitive price: the M2 Competition as entry-level BMW M model. Original M2 hp (370) + 40 hp = M2 Competition hp (410). M2 Competition hp (410) + 40 hp = M2 CS hp (450). And yes, alike you I'm curious to know the M2 CS laptime at "The Ring". With lighter weight and shorter wheel base to start with + more CF bits, it should be faster than an M4, no ? February 2016: Quote:
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I wouldn't doubt that's a true story, and that BMW purposefully took out the S55 in the beginning so as to not let the M2 out perform its bigger brother. Similar to how the Cayman would out perform the 911 if Porsche allowed it to.
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Imo BMW needs the M2CS to run with the Cayman GTS for all of the benchracers. The two cars will never feel the same regardless of running the same laptime, but BMW needs to demonstrate what it can do. I still believe they can put it in the high 7:30s if they want. Keeping it inline with the Cayman GTS would be damned impressive for a car that can haul around the kiddos. The S55 allows them to do this if desired.
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I think BMW was forced to make the change and everyone would have preferred an M2C that had maybe 10-15 more HP on the N55, new wheels, adaptive suspension, better cooling and a new styling. The S55 is a great engine but sound and power delivery is a huge part of the experience. Look at the current used market for the M4, you can find some cheaper than you can get an E92 with similar miles. I believe mostly impart to the weight, engine and lack of soul. I bought the M2 because I wanted a small car with great handling that sounded amazing. At no time did I think, "I wish they would put a heavier, terrible sounding engine in here with more power". For those that did want more 40-50 more HP, a weight free tune could have accomplished that without changing the sound the car produces. I'm sorry but BMW had their hands tied behind their back on this one.
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I have always wanted the S55 in the M2 and that's why now I have the M2C. The N55 sound better? To me it sounds more refined but lacks aggression where as the S55 is all angry and taut. You can't tune the N55 with 40-50 more hp because of the smallish turbo and lesser cooling capacity. May be you can get one or two runs with 20 more hp after tuning but from the third run onwards the turbo will heat soak and power drops drastically. Where as the S55 delivers at least 410ps run after run. I would definitely like to see the S58 in the next M2 from the start. Last edited by Karmic Man; 03-26-2019 at 08:58 PM.. |
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My main point was I think BMW had to go with the S55 from a finical perspective and if they had their choice would have stuck with the N55. Usually when the make a comp model, they keep the same engine and add little to no extra power. Why would the spend money to rework the N55 again rather than stick the S55 in from the beginning? They could hav easily detuned it further and removed some of the cooling to be around 370-380. I don't agree it's not to compete with the M3/M4 because it already competes with the N55 in it. Engines and specifically sound I think are a big selling point of a car. Look at the E92 vs the F80. There are a lot of factors but I'd say a majority say, the 8400 RPM V8.
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