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When it comes to a real "race car" intercooler - you would have to be pretty foolish to hang over 40 pounds off the front of your car. We can't even get simple answers to simple questions it's not just about a single 2-3-4 pull...We wanted to do full testing with a variable dyno and actual road testing. I reached out through many channels. no response. |
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Hope you guys can get race track data too, and data on the HD street cores as not many of us track guys use the race cores. |
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I'm interested to know about the results as well. As the FMIC is my next mod
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Seeing as this is the Ultimate intercooler thread, what are the opinions of the new Mishimoto n55 cooler. i don't see how the angled top half of the cooler is effective, as it seems to block air flow to the cooler through the kidney grills, or maybe I'm wrong.
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Did Mishimoto release their F chassis intercooler?
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Noting that this is an IC rather than CC thread, has anyone tried fitting the S55 CC plumbing to an N55 without - physically - changing anything else? BMW presumably went to the trouble for valid engineering reasons rather than model differentiation, so I'm interested in the result.
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I'm currently running with a fabspeed sportcat, MPE and a drop in filter. I'm looking to add an FMIC and chargepipes to run with a stg2 tune. Will the CSF introduce any additional turbo lag? Any downsides to it and/or should I be looking at a different one? My local mech. is offering me a CSF along with VRSF pipes, wondering if that will be my best bet or not.
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12-12-2018, 05:19 PM | #148 | |
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But it would beneficial to test both coolers under the widest range of circumstances now while testers are available to do so, than do one test and claim one product is better in all circumstances due to one variable and have that circulate on the forum forever. I don't even understand why doing different tests would be more expensive, like does it cost more to do additional pulls? I understand track testing would cost money and repetive Dyno pulls would as well but that's what vendor collab would be for right? (Plus did the wager include something about same power level but lower temps? So wouldn't a Dyno be required anyways? So one pull on the street + logs wouldn't satisfy it right?) |
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12-12-2018, 06:22 PM | #149 |
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There are brands who are simply reselling intercoolers made elsewhere. they're either buying cores (mostly overseas) and welding their own tanks, or simply buying the entire unit and branding it their own.
There is a "basic" consumer in this business who falls for the "thickest core" "densest fin pack" "this or that", etc, etc.. there is also a customer who is in motorsports, and understands their has to be a harmonious balance between the weight, performance of the cooler, and airflow into the rest of the system. I've now asked 3 times (twice before) - what is the weight of the VRSF cooler, and other basic specs which would help in comparison.. no answers. if you want to buy the biggest and the densest core because that is what you think is the best, there is a option for that. If you want to buy a true motorsports "proven" solution, there is CSF. To give you an idea.. I had a visitor today. The owner of PWR - the cooling company the manufacturers all of the cooling products for all F1 and Nascar teams. This is the level that CSF is at, not buying alibaba cores online, and giving forum guys purchased samples (no transparency) the option to test. If you want to do a single pull, and call it a day - i'll hack up the front of an M2, hang a bus intercooler in front of it, and show you low IAT's - a single pull, or 1 round of pulls.. what is that going to accomplish? That you have a very big intercooler? but do you win races, and can you keep the car cool in 100 degree heat in a BMW CCA wheel-to-wheel event? this is what CSF is all about, and this is where we try and bring the best combination of value, performance, and quality to the broader aftermarket. |
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Only issue is your IC is really expensive, I understand you have to pay more to get all the additional benefits but there comes a point where you have to factor in performance/$. For example I live in Canada where it snows alot and then salt and gravel the roads so my intercooler fins tend to be extremely bashed up after 2 years of driving so I tend to have to replace it. So the question becomes is it worth it for a bit of extra performance (achievable with water injection and a larger more efficent stage 3 turbo) or save cash on frequent replacement? I'd love to run CSF on my m2 but at $599 I can't justify that unless it's a huge significant improvement over the competition in both flow and iat management which I wanted to see on this test. If it was say $450-$499 I could swing it and go for it. |
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For something that was supposedly going to be a meaningful joint comparison effort, there appears to be a distinct lack of transparency from the other vendor. I don’t understand why VRSF would feel the need to buy CSF’s intercoolers for comparison - I’m sure CSF would have contributed those?? As a consumer I wouldn’t be terribly convinced by a set of logs from a single run. |
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Why don’t you guys quit making this a CSF vs VRSF thing, and grab some Dinan, Wagner, and other IC’s and show testing, pros/cons, and price points.
That was the whole point of Mike starting this conversation, and it’s now turned into another worthless, stupid Internet forum thread. |
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I also did see that ATM on the other forum claim CSF stole their B tune fin design or something about that in regards to their intercoolers idk, it's not my place to say. Btw what does lifetime warranty cover? Does that include fin damage from rocks? Because if it does then it's a no brainier for me to pick that option. Edit- if you guys could get some street core data that'd be great too. Last edited by F87source; 12-12-2018 at 11:11 PM.. |
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This "competition" has degraded to the point that there is a lot of mis information.. So we'll just let it be what it is..
Somehow Tiago thinks we're sourcing an intercooler from some other factory than our own. If you can check import logs, please check the over 450 containers, and over 500,000 parts that came from CSF factories... It's a family business, privately owned factories or joint ventures (due to local laws) and we've sold over 35 million coolers worldwide.. We're operating on a different level than you, it's just simply the facts. In regards to the CSF intercooler versus others on the market. There is still only 1 intercooler for the N55 platform worldwide that has TUV approval in Germany. That is CSF's. I believe even Wagner, a German company does not have this certification. This certification is the highest for aftermarket parts in the world. Means that it meets or exceeds performance, durability, and reliability standards to the OEM part. - We've had to invest significant money into getting this certification, and the engineering / R&D of a motorsport part is not cheap. Hence, you get what you pay for.. You may be paying a little bit more for a CSF intercooler, but you're also getting a part made by a Tier-1 OEM supplier To some people this is worth the higher price. CSF's n55 intercoolers come with a protective powder-coating that can also withstand salt corrosion. All CSF products are tested in house on the following machines: wind-tunnel, vibration, salt spray, thermal cycle and burst pressure.. I'd be happy to answer any questions about the product, and also refer to videos, logs, and race results from teams and drivers that are independently published online. |
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