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I can understand maybe people that got their current M2 within the last couple months might feel like they got shafted but if they do it's because they haven't got out their and enjoyed their current car enough. I have, and if the price is right I am ready to move on to another one. And if it doesn't happen I will just keep enjoying mine like I have so far. The hatred and discussion is hysterical
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I’m still not convinced the 788M are lighter. Unless there is a lot of material removed from the back of the wheel, then I don’t see how it’s possible.
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05-19-2018, 10:24 PM | #92 | |
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Yep, it's not like the existence of the marginally improved Competition makes current M2s any worse. I'd rather have an M2 and enjoy it than be worried about what the latest and greatest is. |
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I agree the current M2 is great. BMW M got the Competition(some thought it would be nose heavy) weight distribution correct. It was tested for over a year on the ring and backroads. M further refined the steering, stability control, chassis. They nearly touch everything. I have no doubt the M2C is going to be a great car too. |
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I also would not put much stock in curb weight and weight distribution numbers. They are not quoted as measured using any known standard method. They can basically say whatever they want on them. I have seen a few posts on Rennlist where people had measured large discrepancies between actual weight and the spec sheet that could not be easily explained by fluids or options.
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I no longer have the E89, but the weight diff between 35i vs 35is (which is a more reasonable comparison) was negligible. SO a 3650 lb M2 that weighs more than an M4 and 350lbs more than a 320i is okay? You gonna let BMW and the engineers off the hook for that? The M2 was supposed to be the purist’s BMW with focus on dynamics and tossable fun. You’re the one that doesn’t seem to get it. What is wrong with you |
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Back to your original claim that general M2C owners will buy all those carbon stuff to reduce 150 pounds. That’s laughable, get real. |
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05-19-2018, 10:32 PM | #98 |
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They hit a homerun with the current M2 and BMW has a lot to live up to trying to improve it.
Pretty sure there has been a lot put into making the M2C raise the bar further. I can't wait to hear all the reviews on it when they start letting the media rip it up in them.
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Makes sense - in my case, that would be a considerable weight savings. |
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All the equipment added to the M2C is a major upgrade, s55 w/ closed block, extra turbo, air to water intercooler, larger oil coolers, chassis stiffening(strutbrace and bulkhead bracing), etc. Yes all this comes with a premium, that is weight. Sure they could go M4 route and add carbon roof, carbon driveshaft, carbon trunk, etc. But that will move M2 into M4 pricing, which is not the point of the M2. I have no doubt the M2C is going to rip and out perform the current M2. And no that is not a shot at the current car, because it is a very good car. Last edited by M3_WC; 05-19-2018 at 11:00 PM.. |
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05-19-2018, 10:49 PM | #106 | |
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You are buying a finished car and a driving experience, not a spec sheet. You don't even really need to know how much the car weighs. It is a spec that contributes to the driving experience but does NOT solely define it. The suspension setup, steering ratio, wheels/tires, etc. contribute a lot to how the car feels and behaves. It is entirely possible to conceal 150 lbs (about 4.5% weight difference on a 3500 lb car) and actually make the car handle better dynamically depending on what the engineers actually did. There are already cars that handle better than an M2 and weigh more! It is naive to say that the 150 lbs will hurt the dynamic behavior of the car when you have no idea what they have done to the suspension. From a purely practical standpoint it is obvious why BMW did this. The M2 is their cheapest M car. The N55 wasn't gonna pass emissions so they dropped in the S55. They did not bring over some of the CF weight saving components from the M4 to keep the price down. I don't understand what the problem is? As other posters mentioned, Competition is the new model designation replacing the ZCP option packages. It's never meant to be the same thing as CS, GTS, or CSL. When it comes out, make a list of all reviews that claim it doesn't handle as well as the current M2 and then you can PM it to me. I guarantee this is going to be an empty list. |
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Case in point the Camaro SS1LE. That car has a world chassis(alpha), world class handling and steering. It weighs over 3,750 lbs. |
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All that being said, I am definitely gonna get my 4th M car when my name comes up on the M2C list. Can't wait.
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