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Let's not jump too quickly into conclusions. The list (date unknown - maybe the version of last Winter) seems to show codes of BMW classes, which doesn't necessarily mean that all referenced cars will ever be commercialized. Could be merely reserving for the sake of classification and/or labeling test mules that never make the final cut. Look for example at the F82 M4 GTS: we only know of the M-DCT version:
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2U73 is the USA-spec LHD M2 CS (USA and Canada: pre-LCI M2 sales were >50% 6MT) (see here for some stats).
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Although I feel the M2 CS won't have the same percentage stretch vs its base model, mainly due to it still being based on a 2 series platform. Honestly, the price of the regular M2 is universally praised, and is pretty fair. Let's hope BMW doesn't get too cocky with the CS version. Last edited by csbear; 09-01-2017 at 03:39 PM.. |
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...a slightly less % stretch....we're talking cunt hairs here. IMO, of course.
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Yea agreed. The base price of the M2 is a great deal compared to the base M240i. If you add all the options needed to a M240i to equal the standard equipment of the M2, you are at right around the same MSRP. But you still won't get the M2 styling, suspension, brakes, extra cooling etc. Thats why even when you factor in the discount that you can get on the M240i, the M2 is still a better deal in many ways. Let's say BMW increases the M2 CS price by 30% (low compared to the roughly 48% increase of the M4 CS), that puts it right under $70k before options or mark up. Realistically out of the price range of many people shopping for the "regular" M2. |
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However a level I was not willing to join the party at. Time will tell
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64K USD for the following is a fair price:
S55 Engine with 410 HP, Carbon Fiber Roof, Larger non carbon ceramic brakes, Improved suspension, Reduced sound deadening, No fake exhaust noise streaming into cockpit, Improved front end, Rear duck tail (Preferably), ZCP seats, Alcantara interior, Programmable buttons, Better exhaust than stock S55 (Stock M3/M4), Lighter wheel option, Carbon Fiber Hood/Bonnet (add another 1500 USD) This is basically what is standard on an M3/M4 ZCP without the same power and better interior. |
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What are you smoking ??
Even the OEM GTS hood is 4K. That's what a replacement costs if you bought ONE from BMW. BMW will not be paying anything close to that price when they procure their parts (I know how much Daimler and Land Rover pays and this should be somewhat similar). I might have been a little too optimistic but around 2K - 2.5K is a realistic price bump if they were to include the GTS styled hood instead of the stock M2 hood and still make a standard profit. Where did you read that it was 15K ?? |
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Actually, if you want the full package, feel free to upgrade to an M4 ZCP. But if you do, mark my words, very likely you will yearn for a full-blown M2 CS (thus one with all bells 'n whistles on board). Actually, if I would not have already my base M2, I would order an M2 CS as soon as orders can be made. But, hey, I'm OK with mine - at least it got an armrest.
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The M4 ZCP with the DCT and Executive package is 80K USD. To that, BMW is adding lights that cost 10K, a CF hood that costs 4K, increasing power, improving suspension, putting in the same interior bits as the M4 GTS, lighter wheels, CF lip, CF duck tail, improved exhaust, reduced sound deadening, no active sound etc. and people expect the M4 CS to be around the 100K mark in the US which is 20K USD more than the M4 ZCP. Even so, this car has apparently not been very well received in the UK market. The M2 without the executive package is 54K USD. It will not be getting 10K OLED lights, mostly won't get the CF hood either. The only significant upgrade here is the de-tuned engine. IND installed a CF roof which costs 1295 USD. The ZCP seats are being mass produced already and adding them should not cost too much more as long as they fit. The M2 CS is expected to have a manual transmission option as well so it would mostly be expected to start lower and have a 2900 USD DCT option. Do you see any other part on the list that would add a significant cost ?? The M2 CS is just a smaller M4 with lesser power, mostly using parts that already exist. It will also have a lesser upmarket feel to it than the M4. Why would it be priced higher than the M4. A lot of people who buy this car will see it that way when they make their decision. Add to this the fact that the new Audi TT RS and RS3 with their new 5 cylinder engines and superior interior are being priced at 65K and 54K respectively. On the other side, the new mid engine Porsche 718 S on better tires is expected to be faster than the M2 CS and even the 981 GT4 around a track and still costs 67K USD. If BMW wants to stay competitive in this segment, they will need to price their car competitively for what it offers. If they gave this the same E46 M3 CSL treatment with weight savings and added a manual transmission option, most people(me included) would be happy to pay quite a bit more. Around 65K is what I think this car will be priced at. I do not expect it to have the CF roof or hood but everything else on my list should be doable at that price. Come on, you've got to agree with this. |
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While I agree with the sentiment, I believe the more realistic scenario around $64K would be...
S55 Engine with 410 HP, Manual transmission (DCT option), Larger steel brakes with CCBs as an option Reduced sound deadening, Improved front end, Rear duck tail, Adaptive suspension, 19" 763M wheels Minimal weight savings Hoping for different seats but that seems unlikely. Most likely just stitching option |
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Would really want a CF roof though. I think a CF roof with the Hockenhein silver exterior, CF duck tail,CF front lip, some ferric gray or black wheels will look absolutely stunning. Add in a dark brown Leather option (Mostly won't happen) and I already know exactly how I'll order my car. Don't really care about the executive package or rear view cameras or much else. |
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