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      05-11-2017, 12:02 PM   #221
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I like it, however I feel that the passenger dashboard side was nicer before.
The lack of colors and interior choices is stupid.

BMW THIS CAN BE A MONEY MAKER, A NEW E46, MAKE IT CUSTOMIZABLE !

If I can order a different exterior color and a lighter interior color I will buy one yesterday. Bring some metallic green-blues, some beige like moonlight, some red, orange, violet. Give it personality for God's sake, this piece is a winner!
The M3/4 exists for buyers like you, and is the moneymaker for BMW that you allude to. The M2 is as affordable as it is because BMW was able to keep costs and overhead minimal. Add all the options in that you suggest and you're not far off of the cost of an M3/4, which makes little commercial sense for them, and little sense for buyers who would then, quite sensibly, just spring for the big brother. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I am very glad that BMW elected to keep this car relatively affordable and "basic" on the amenity front. I want performance, not fluff.
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That definitely looks like a lower redline. Please, please tell me I'm not over-revving my 17' M2.
You shouldn't be redlining your car regardless. You make peak hp at 6300rpm and should be shifting then. Maybe that's why the gauge is different. To encourage people to shift at peak power levels rather than winding the fuckin thing out.
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So much OCD going on in this thread. Both versions of the car are great. Who gives a flying f@ck about LEDs and trim.
Only the folks who haven't got them
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You shouldn't be redlining your car regardless. You make peak hp at 6300rpm and should be shifting then. Maybe that's why the gauge is different. To encourage people to shift at peak power levels rather than winding the fuckin thing out.
very true and agree. I shift my gt3 between 8250+/- or less. peak hp is attained there although redline is 9k. However, with a manual as i will will have in my M2 is one wants to attain peak power then shifts should be slightly above peak hp rpm to make up for rpm drop between shifts. DCT/PDK notwithstanding.
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very true and agree.
If only there were a button of some kind to signify that sentiment...

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      05-11-2017, 12:41 PM   #226
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That first picture scared me. Thought "Audi like". Just the angle I surmise. Thankfully. Good looking car the M2. Sporty.
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I like it, however I feel that the passenger dashboard side was nicer before.
The lack of colors and interior choices is stupid.

BMW THIS CAN BE A MONEY MAKER, A NEW E46, MAKE IT CUSTOMIZABLE !

If I can order a different exterior color and a lighter interior color I will buy one yesterday. Bring some metallic green-blues, some beige like moonlight, some red, orange, violet. Give it personality for God's sake, this piece is a winner!
The M3/4 exists for buyers like you, and is the moneymaker for BMW that you allude to. The M2 is as affordable as it is because BMW was able to keep costs and overhead minimal. Add all the options in that you suggest and you're not far off of the cost of an M3/4, which makes little commercial sense for them, and little sense for buyers who would then, quite sensibly, just spring for the big brother. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I am very glad that BMW elected to keep this car relatively affordable and "basic" on the amenity front. I want performance, not fluff.
Well said.
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      05-11-2017, 01:28 PM   #228
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If all of this comes for the same price of $52,500 (U.S. Pricing), definitely worth it imo. But if there is another price hike, then it becomes not a bargain since you are essentially paying for these minor "upgrades" which is fine.

I feel like they will price hike though...that seems the most logical to me at this point.
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You shouldn't be redlining your car regardless. You make peak hp at 6300rpm and should be shifting then. Maybe that's why the gauge is different. To encourage people to shift at peak power levels rather than winding the fuckin thing out.
If we are going to maximize power, we actually need to maximize the amount of power "under the curve." We are using the power over time and not at one specific point in time. Power should be maximized over the time period in use, even if it is fractions of a second. Maximizing power goes a little past peak power levels. The power curve and not the redline would help to calculate how much.
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Ok keep me updated if you have further information.
He saìd that he knew as much as I did and didn't have any further info today but should have some more info next week.
He kinda also garantueed that my car would be a LCI, but all I really care about is keeping my original price, or a small amount more.
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      05-11-2017, 01:41 PM   #231
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All the people who complained about the interior being too "plain" will now be happy and can buy the car. The rest of us will continue to enjoy ours and not care a whole lot. Every new version is made "fancier".
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      05-11-2017, 02:06 PM   #232
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damn it has the new touchscreen nav
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      05-11-2017, 02:29 PM   #233
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Second hand value of pre LCI cars ?

Will we now finally see early 2016 cars drop in price because of LCI launch.
In the U.K lots of dealers with be getting very nervous now that their cars look really second hand!
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Will we now finally see early 2016 cars drop in price because of LCI launch.
In the U.K lots of dealers with be getting very nervous now that their cars look really second hand!
I don't think so. This is still a relatively rare hard to get car especially in certain markets. Bmw is technically building enough to "meet demand" but it's uncommon to see them sitting unsold in dealer lots. Plus there aren't huge differences between Pre LCI and LCI version. Cosmetics mostly. Fundamentally it's the same car. I think the 2016 and 2017 models will still retain value as there aren't a lot on the secondary market.
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"damn it has the new touchscreen nav"

No thanks - I hate the fingerprints.
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      05-11-2017, 02:47 PM   #236
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Will we now finally see early 2016 cars drop in price because of LCI launch.
In the U.K lots of dealers with be getting very nervous now that their cars look really second hand!
I don't think so. This is still a relatively rare hard to get car especially in certain markets. Bmw is technically building enough to "meet demand" but it's uncommon to see them sitting unsold in dealer lots. Plus there aren't huge differences between Pre LCI and LCI version. Cosmetics mostly. Fundamentally it's the same car. I think the 2016 and 2017 models will still retain value as there aren't a lot on the secondary market.
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Will we now finally see early 2016 cars drop in price because of LCI launch.
In the U.K lots of dealers with be getting very nervous now that their cars look really second hand!
I don't think so. This is still a relatively rare hard to get car especially in certain markets. Bmw is technically building enough to "meet demand" but it's uncommon to see them sitting unsold in dealer lots. Plus there aren't huge differences between Pre LCI and LCI version. Cosmetics mostly. Fundamentally it's the same car. I think the 2016 and 2017 models will still retain value as there aren't a lot on the secondary market.


Just checked on the Uk Autotrader Web site and they have over 50 cars for sale ! To me that's a lot !
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at least it doesnt take 2 years until you select something with that joystick crap. touch screen is very welcome
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      05-11-2017, 02:59 PM   #238
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If it does not have grey gauges, I'm sorry but it is not a real M car

Who waited will find a way to justify the wait - called cognitive dissonance - but in reality you either love the new adaptive headlights (which btw you could retrofit) or the wait was really a failure.

Not driving an M2 for months just to have access to these differences? LOL.
When you have an M2 you will understand it was a baaaaad decision.

Ahhh, and don't forget. Soon after you receive the LCI (who is ordering now because waited for this moment) there will be a CS version... ooops.
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      05-11-2017, 03:07 PM   #239
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Maybe someone can make an animated gif for a flipbook back/forth view of the old vs. new views of the interior. In meantime, here's a quick and dirty view of the old (left) vs. new (right).
Isn't the new speedometer the same as the old one with just white smd leds, black background and red dials?

Should be an easy hardware retrofit, no?
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I'll scan the offer I got tonight and post it here (it is in Dutch though).

Standard options also differ from country to country.
As promised!
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"damn it has the new touchscreen nav"

No thanks - I hate the fingerprints.
Who uses a car's navigation system anyway? Nothing I've seen can compete with Google Maps or Waze.
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"damn it has the new touchscreen nav"

No thanks - I hate the fingerprints.
Who uses a car's navigation system anyway? Nothing I've seen can compete with Google Maps or Waze.
What strikes me is that BMW didnt put a touch screen in the M4/3 LCI and put it in the M2 like wtf??
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