[slashrawr]

Originally Posted by M2GB

I have my car coming in March. Am i really likely to find out 2 months later that a faster base M2 is coming out?

In my honest opinion the LCI will get a power bump, it has to, the M240i has made it a necessity. How that power bump is provided is to me the real question.

[Ian ///M]

they are going to change the lights and give it like 20 more hp.

hypebeasts

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by Ian ///M

they are going to change the lights and give it like 20 more hp.

hypebeasts

This is exactly what will happen. None of the competition comes close to the track performance you get with the M2. It is NOT about straight line speed. Look at some of the nurburgring videos. They are just insane how fast they are stock.

[Em-Two]

Originally Posted by Ian ///M

they are going to change the lights and give it like 20 more hp.

hypebeasts

I heard only laser beam lights add hp. Is this true?

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by Em-Two

I heard only laser beam lights add hp. Is this true?

I bet they change the turbo and bump power 20 to 30 bhp, well within the current engines capability and not to close to the m3.. Oh, and the lights but who cares about that!

[Ian ///M]

Originally Posted by Em-Two

I heard only laser beam lights add hp. Is this true?

only if they are the " Frickin'" brand laser beam lights

[Minchy]

Turbo change would be the cheapest option.

It would retain the N55s character and possibly help on emmisions.

[Pparana]

b58 engine, n55 is pretty much phased out, makes sense with the lci, there built in the same plant, 2 series is using b58, other parts come from m3, otherwise you have to keep 2 parallel supply channels open for that version of the n55 which is not in any other bmw.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Minch

Turbo change would be the cheapest option.

It would retain the N55s character and possibly help on emmisions.

No it wouldn't. They would have to test an unknown turbo and it would make emission worse of course.

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

No it wouldn't. They would have to test an unknown turbo and it would make emission worse of course.

Not necessarily, turbos across the range could be used, tried and tested, but also, turbos are simple in design and construction, it is not a part that would require an awful lot of testing. That said, B58 is a sensible move but will the stronger parts from m3 engine fit that block?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

Not necessarily, turbos across the range could be used, tried and tested, but also, turbos are simple in design and construction, it is not a part that would require an awful lot of testing. That said, B58 is a sensible move but will the stronger parts from m3 engine fit that block?

If it's to be an S58 for M3/4, they'd need to create a similar hybrid B58/S58 for the M2. Or perhaps that is unnecessary due to inherent strength of the B58? I could see other hardware upgrades such as B58 + turbo and/or water inject (+49hp on M4 GTS). A tune-only B58 would dilute the M brand.

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

A tune-only B58 would dilute the M brand.

Like the 1M did?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Like the 1M did?

They were said to use a revised turbo on the 1M, correct?
Also uses a different cooling system - radiator and fan.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

A tune-only B58 would dilute the M brand.

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Like the 1M did?

Originally Posted by zenmaster

They were said to use a revised turbo on the 1M, correct?
Also uses a different cooling system - radiator and fan.

Without getting into the semantics of additional cooling and ancillaries isn't the N55 in the M2 essentially a tune only with an overstretched turbo ?

Possibly the sole reason for this discussion is a better replacement.

[slashrawr]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

This is exactly what will happen. None of the competition comes close to the track performance you get with the M2. It is NOT about straight line speed. Look at some of the nurburgring videos. They are just insane how fast they are stock.

The vast majority of M2s will never see a track let alone be driven to their full potential at all. Many however will see some traffic light grands prix. Now take into account the M240i (which can be optioned with a LSD for the track fiends) offers near identical street performance at a much lower price point and other cars like the RS3 or Focus RS that allow drivers to safely use more of their performance - in a straight line and in the corners - on the street and you start to realise that BMW can't be complacent with the M2.

The M2 already struggles with the "not a real M car" stigma but at least it performed like an M version of a 2-series. With the M240i providing as-near-as-makes-no-difference performance, the "not a real M car" argument starts to hold more water, especially when the M240i is more customisable (more interior and exterior colours for example) and comes with more tech (adaptive suspension for example) and is noticeably cheaper to buy.

Now I love the M2 (it's why I'm buying one) but I'm definitely considering holding out for the LCI so I don't feel like I've waited for something for a long time and paid a decent sum of money for something that will be instantly outmoded and worse, bettered by it's lower end stablemates.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by M2GB

I have my car coming in March. Am i really likely to find out 2 months later that a faster base M2 is coming out?

Yes

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by slashrawr

The vast majority of M2s will never see a track let alone be driven to their full potential at all. Many however will see some traffic light grands prix. Now take into account the M240i (which can be optioned with a LSD for the track fiends) offers near identical street performance at a much lower price point and other cars like the RS3 or Focus RS that allow drivers to safely use more of their performance - in a straight line and in the corners - on the street and you start to realise that BMW can't be complacent with the M2.

The M2 already struggles with the "not a real M car" stigma but at least it performed like an M version of a 2-series. With the M240i providing as-near-as-makes-no-difference performance, the "not a real M car" argument starts to hold more water, especially when the M240i is more customisable (more interior and exterior colours for example) and comes with more tech (adaptive suspension for example) and is noticeably cheaper to buy.

Now I love the M2 (it's why I'm buying one) but I'm definitely considering holding out for the LCI so I don't feel like I've waited for something for a long time and paid a decent sum of money for something that will be instantly outmoded and worse, bettered by it's lower end stablemates.

Now you're making some sense. I'm on the fence. Could be some logic to just buying a 2017 and enjoying it. If the price increase is enough, it will protect the value of the 2017. The relative performance increase of the LCI will be noticeable, but not significant enough to make a real difference on the street. Funny thing is that I've owned the e36, e46, and e92. The m2 is the first of the group to have a stock exhaust that is almost acceptable! That's worth the price of ownership!

[MMMBRAP]

I've decided to wait for the LCI, as I'm keen on those LED's and other upgrades.

I'm also really hoping they offer Sakhir for the LCI. That would be icing on the cake for me.

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by slashrawr

The vast majority of M2s will never see a track let alone be driven to their full potential at all. Many however will see some traffic light grands prix. Now take into account the M240i (which can be optioned with a LSD for the track fiends) offers near identical street performance at a much lower price point and other cars like the RS3 or Focus RS that allow drivers to safely use more of their performance - in a straight line and in the corners - on the street and you start to realise that BMW can't be complacent with the M2.

The M2 already struggles with the "not a real M car" stigma but at least it performed like an M version of a 2-series. With the M240i providing as-near-as-makes-no-difference performance, the "not a real M car" argument starts to hold more water, especially when the M240i is more customisable (more interior and exterior colours for example) and comes with more tech (adaptive suspension for example) and is noticeably cheaper to buy.

Now I love the M2 (it's why I'm buying one) but I'm definitely considering holding out for the LCI so I don't feel like I've waited for something for a long time and paid a decent sum of money for something that will be instantly outmoded and worse, bettered by it's lower end stablemates.

Ummm, ok. Go look at the nurburgring vids. Then option out a 240i to M2 specs and see where that gets you..... Your waiting for rear LED's and 20hp.... I wouldnt worry man. Its one of the best drivers cars I ever owned. Great performance every day car. Its the PERFECT M car and all the haters have no clue what they are talking about.

[quikM2]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Without getting into the semantics of additional cooling and ancillaries isn't the N55 in the M2 essentially a tune only with an overstretched turbo ?

Possibly the sole reason for this discussion is a better replacement.

I thought the N55 in the M2 was much more than that. I thought it had beefed up internals and much more over the standard N55 in the m235i so much so it was dramatically different and they gave it a different designation N55 etc. etc.

I will let one of the more knowledgeable comment and clarify.

[Thibs]

Originally Posted by quikM2

I thought the N55 in the M2 was much more than that. I thought it had beefed up internals and much more over the standard N55 in the m235i so much so it was dramatically different and they gave it a different designation N55 etc. etc.

I will let one of the more knowledgeable comment and clarify.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/07/28/bm...ven-better-m2/

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Without getting into the semantics of additional cooling and ancillaries isn't the N55 in the M2 essentially a tune only with an overstretched turbo ?

Possibly the sole reason for this discussion is a better replacement.

Some S55 internals does not make it a tune.