[MR.]

Why has nobody suggested it might have the B58 engine from the 340i?

MR

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by MR.

Why has nobody suggested it might have the B58 engine from the 340i?

MR

What for? Every inside source says N55 reworked but same engine code.

[W///]

Originally Posted by MR.

Why has nobody suggested it might have the B58 engine from the 340i?

MR

I won't go into detail because this has been discussed to death and this is not the right thread for it.

N55 with S55 parts in it (unknown at this point what that entails).

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I don't think that is the reason the M2 has a six instead of a four.
An inline 4 would have worked in the M2, and, in fact, I believe, was, at the outset, in the running to go into the car. The reason it lost the race was because BMW felt an M2 with a 4 cylinder engine would be perceived as an exclusive M car. BMW was afraid that such exclusivity would have drawn customers away from the M3/4. So, the 4 was put back on the shelf.
I think the 4 cylinder M cars are coming; but, I also think they'll probably first go to the upper tier M cars. Along with e drive and all that other sustainability stuff.

I am wondering if the M2 CSL will get the 4 cylinder. It would save weight and be able to rev to 9000 or whatever, and it would be really different than the base M2. That could be really interesting.

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

I think it's worse with the N55. My 335is with its N54 seemed to be able to hit higher revs without completely dying on me. The N55 gets above 6k, but as soon as you shift, you lose all power. I always have to watch to make sure I shift at the sweet spot. I hope they rework the N55 for better top end. Not the kind of top end you get with a NA engine, obviously, but just something that doesn't bog down the moment you even glance at redline.

Absolutely on the N55 - in both N55 cars I had, there was no point in shifting north of 5500/5600 or so - you were literally just making noise at that point. Didn't ever feel that way in my N54 until you were much closer to 7K RPMs...

[DJKapeesh]

Originally Posted by clubsport

I completely agree with you on the 997.2 GTS. Alcantara interior, hydraulic steering, only 20% more expensive than an M2 (DCT and Wheels) BEFORE MANDATORY DEALER GOUGING. 10% after it.

I just put in my deposit for a place in line here in South Florida where they guarantee me they won't charge above MSRP?

The dealership never lies right?

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Absolutely on the N55 - in both N55 cars I had, there was no point in shifting north of 5500/5600 or so - you were literally just making noise at that point. Didn't ever feel that way in my N54 until you were much closer to 7K RPMs...

FWIW, the actual difference between N54 and N55 above 5,500 was around 15 lb ft of torque. The reason the N55 drop feels worse is the same reason that the S55 feels like it drops off compared to the S65.

Compared to the N54, the N55 has a slightly higher peak torque, and a slightly lower torque output as you pass 5,000 RPM. Automobile Magazine did an excellent feature that has detailed dyno graphs. Remember that in terms of how an engine feels, you should look at torque. Power will tell you which has better performance, but the torque curve determines how the engine feels under acceleration.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...5is_dyno_test/

In terms of how the engine will feel, the "torque boost" will actually exacerbate the issue, because the mid-range peak will be even higher, with the top end remaining the same. My recommendation is to prepare yourself for this now. The N55B30T0 will be a mid-range torque motor. Do not expect it to hold up as well in the upper RPM as the S55 unless BMW does us a solid and slaps on the twin turbo setup from the N54.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

FWIW, the actual difference between N54 and N55 above 5,500 was around 15 lb ft of torque. The reason the N55 drop feels worse is the same reason that the S55 feels like it drops off compared to the S65.

Compared to the N54, the N55 has a slightly higher peak torque, and a slightly lower torque output as you pass 5,000 RPM. Automobile Magazine did an excellent feature that has detailed dyno graphs. Remember that in terms of how an engine feels, you should look at torque. Power will tell you which has better performance, but the torque curve determines how the engine feels under acceleration.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...5is_dyno_test/

In terms of how the engine will feel, the "torque boost" will actually exacerbate the issue, because the mid-range peak will be even higher, with the top end remaining the same. My recommendation is to prepare yourself for this now. The N55B30T0 will be a mid-range torque motor. Do not expect it to hold up as well in the upper RPM as the S55 unless BMW does us a solid and slaps on the twin turbo setup from the N54.

This is great info, cheers!

[Gibson6594]

I wonder if the option to get heated seats is tied to the seats being power. I'd love non-power, heated seats.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

I wonder if the option to get heated seats is tied to the seats being power. I'd love non-power, heated seats.

+1

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Ok BMW. Point taken. Funneling all the "What? No rectangular gas cap on the M2? Not interested anymore!" folks towards the M3/M4.

Mission accomplished.

This is the kind of elitist attitude a few people on this subforum seem to have. A lot of the complaints are warranted and aren't outlandish. People wanting non235i seats or more color choices =/= complaining about petty stuff like the shape of the gas cap. Remember, not everyone is going to think every aspect about the car is perfect.

It just gets old:
"*Minor complaint or desire*"
"Fuck off and get an M3/4 then!"

[Shindo]

Originally Posted by s1k0ne

no HUD?

Really, who cares about HUD, parking sensors, and any other non performance options. Get yourself a old mans Mercedes. Give me a bare bones AW, 6 speed with perhaps HK, that's it. What gets me is most of the people posting on this forum have no intention of buying the M2.

[Shindo]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

Well BMW are making it easy for people to forget about the M2, it no longer interests me, this is just an M235i with less options that handles better, I don't think it will be hard getting one as very few people will want one, anyone that wants a real M car won't even look at the M2, for the sake of an extra 8 inches in length you can get an M4 which will be a much better car, no doubt this is what BMW want but I'm sure they're happy to milk a little extra from the M4 parts making an M2

Sure, just stick with your lovely/ homely m135 and be done with it. If the m2 is just a better handling m235 I will eat my shorts. Get real.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

elitist attitude

It just gets old:
"*Minor complaint or desire*"
"Fuck off and get an M3/4 then!"

Originally Posted by Shindo

Get yourself a old mans Mercedes.

Originally Posted by Shindo

Sure, just stick with your lovely/ homely m135 and be done with it

That didn't take long

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Shindo

Really, who cares about HUD, parking sensors, and any other non performance options. Get yourself a old mans Mercedes. Give me a bare bones AW, 6 speed with perhaps HK, that's it. What gets me is most of the people posting on this forum have no intention of buying the M2.

People who will use it as a daily driver for years care... :roll eyes:

Why not have a great drivers car AND some nice gadgets to play with? It is no deal breaker for me but it would be nice to have some of them as I loved them in my previous car.

[david.orr]

Could people please write short posts. I have goldfish retention. Thx

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by jaffa12

I have goldfish retention. Thx

If your alluding to the idea goldfish have short memories, then your not familiar with this study. By one of your very own countrymen, I believe.
http://goldfishcareguide.com/2008/03...ldfish-memory/

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by jaffa12

Could people please write short posts. I have goldfish retention. Thx

Here you go...

Me want option!

M2 not have option!

Me angry!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

This is the kind of elitist attitude a few people on this subforum seem to have. A lot of the complaints are warranted and aren't outlandish. People wanting non235i seats or more color choices =/= complaining about petty stuff like the shape of the gas cap. Remember, not everyone is going to think every aspect about the car is perfect.

It just gets old:
"*Minor complaint or desire*"
"Fuck off and get an M3/4 then!"

Fuck off and get an M4!

Totally kidding - had to take the easy wide open three point shot....


Leaves more M2 for those that do stick Around .. HAHAHAHAHAH

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Fuck off and get an M4!

Totally kidding - had to take the easy wide open three point shot....


Leaves more M2 for those that do stick Around .. HAHAHAHAHAH

That's typically the second "go-to" thing to say

"Hey I'm not too sure if I like this aspect of the car"
"BAHAHAHAHA 4 people on the small corner of an internet subforum don't like this part of a car that hasn't been announced yet BAHAHAHA BRB LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE DEALERSHIP TO GET MY ALLOCATION!!!!!"

[spellbmw]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Good, BMWs strategy is working. People who don't appreciate the car for what it is, and want all the options, will not bite. Some of those people will be inclined to move up to the F80.

Works for me! I want mine ASAP.

Yeah, if I'm paying for a car I want exactly what I want and what they tell me I can have. I'm glad you guys like it as specked out thus far

[spellbmw]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

Yeah the black interior as the only choice is kind of disappointing since I personally don't like black interiors. I guess I got kind of lucky since if I do get an M2 it will be Long Beach Blue, so at least it will have LBB contrast stitching which is pretty cool.

I understand that they want to keep the spirit of the 1M, but I don't know why this is one of the aspects they would want to keep.

M3 Adjuster has seen the Leipzig plant and said that "the paint process IS the bottle neck on vehicle production.. it's about the only place on the line where the car isn't moving..." I guess I can understand why there's a limited amount of exterior options, but I still wonder why they went this route with the interior. Maybe Leipzig is limited in its interior options as well.

My 130 5I, a 2010 model, it was build at Leipzig: they had no problems producing the color and all the other options I wanted back then. It will be the first year for the M2, so perhaps they want to keep it simple. I'm glad other guys are happy with the specs we have seen thus far. I'll just have to be more patient and wait and see. I'm in no rush.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

This is the kind of elitist attitude a few people on this subforum seem to have. A lot of the complaints are warranted and aren't outlandish. People wanting non235i seats or more color choices =/= complaining about petty stuff like the shape of the gas cap. Remember, not everyone is going to think every aspect about the car is perfect.

It just gets old:
"*Minor complaint or desire*"
"F**k off and get an M3/4 then!"

Ain't elitist to point out "Hobson's Choice" offered by BMW for the M2.