[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by supsup

True. Totally agree. But this is what happens when you add turns

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp

But I guess at a stop light when a souped up Civic is sitting next to us turns don’t matter

you show the M3CP being 0.5 seconds faster than the M2 in this particular comparo. So M3/4 still faster than M2 even when you add turns. Not sure what your point is...

I track a fair bit, been doing so for over 20 years. A track buddy of mine let me drive his M2 for a whole 30 minute session a few weeks ago. It is really a great car and very enjoyable to drive, with very sharp and responsive handling. But it does not come close to the M3/4, mostly due to the power deficit. The challenge with the M3/4 in stock form is that it is significantly under-tired. Put R-compounds on both the M3/4 and M2 (as all track rats do), and the M2 does not stand a chance.