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Originally Posted by AndreyATC
Ok
I'm not going to judge your professional skills in EMF and etc. I do have a question though
Are you still in the field?
Do you know that not all EVs created equal?
Please elaborate on pollution matter
I just can't see Tesla's would be so horrible for environment, especially when everyone around burns tons of gasoline. I mean, you need to burn gas to produce gas. Then you need to burn gas to deliver gas. Then you burn gas to get from point a to b.
As for the EMF, what do you think about this article?
You think your car is any safer?
http://www.createhealthyhomes.com/car_EMFs.php
Here is another one from CR
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...WantsFull=true
So, Tesla generates 1 mG, while Chevy Cobalt 30 mG. And this with safety standard of 2000
P.S. My house is far from the cell tower and I'd like to keep it that way. I also have minimal wi-fi at the house. Everything is hardwired, except phones and tablets. No cordless phones |
few facts to start:
- almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.
- the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. The production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally
- reports showed that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six - ten miles per hour
- the batteries have no range and suffer in cold climates reducing the range and battery life. There are already victims of -30 C seen on the road.
- if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.
- another thing, for example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. In general, the average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On a small street, the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be over-loaded. There is also more pollution due to electricity demand, but you won't see it...
- It was a test where the Volt cost $0.73/ mile and a normal gas 2.0 vehicle was $0.10/mile. Also keep in mind the max speed you can run on pure electric to get that range.
- battery production requires a tremendous amount of electricity. the initial production of the vehicle and the batteries together make up something like 40 percent of the total carbon footprint of an EV – nearly double that of an equivalent gasoline-powered vehicle.
- In the same token with your logic, you need gas to build your factory, you need gas to dig for materials for your batteries, you need gas to deliver your components, you need petroleum to make your seats, dashboard and a huge amount of components in your car, gas is the one that helps in extracting and obtaining the components for your vehicle.
- To obtain these special materials for batteries, workers dig eight-foot holes and pour ammonium sulfate into them to dissolve the sandy clay. Then they haul out bags of muck and pass it through several acid baths; what’s left is baked in a kiln, leaving behind the rare earths required. At this mines, those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pulled out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent—now contaminated with toxic chemicals—is dumped back into the environment. That damage is difficult to quantify, just like the impact of oil drilling. Even solar panels depend on rare metals that have to be dug out of the earth and processed in less-than-green ways. And, as in every stage of the process, mining has hidden emissions; many mines rely on rock-crushing equipment with astronomical energy bills, as well as coal-fired furnaces for the final baking stages. Those spew a lot of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in the process of refining a material destined for your zero-emissions car.
It seems that you are aware of few facts about the subject which is nice to see, but I believe that you have a generic knowledge about this, which still makes you a victim of propaganda.
Your article focuses on deviating the real problem towards "dirty electricity" which is by analogy, like talking about aerodynamics but instead of looking at the front and windshield we are bashing the mirrors. Dirty electricity and spurious emissions are just a small amount of the problem. Not negligible, but just a part.
As a note, European maximum permitted tolerances are hundreds of times stricter than North American ones.
If we take spurious emissions for example in all the other cases, Europe is more stringent than the US and Canada. For example, for the fixed service, a striking discrepancy is indicated, of up to 37 dB, i.e. the US allows spurious levels up to 5,000 (!!!!) times higher in power than in Europe.
The limits for RF exposure (W/m2) in US is 10 while in Europe is 0.1! Do the math.
Europe is shown to be more inclined to adopt a precautionary approach in human hazards, whereas North America generally prefers a (very) relaxed policy, in order to stimulate economic growth while being indifferent to citizens health.
Same discrepancy in cell towers regulations, EMF emissions and other field related residuals.
Also, the electric car is not only EMF. You are sitting on a battery that has its own 'aura" of field and not only that, regardless of their assurance, if you believe that is perfectly sealed and not exposed to other hazards as well, you are dreaming. Yes, a gas vehicle is a lot safer, from EMF field point of view to lack of invisible hazards that are nonexistent inside the cabin o a IC vehicle. The comparison of EMf rotational wheels to the one on an electric car is just a “you have some too” explanation which is in fact incomparable. And BTW, “you have that too” on the EV but it adds up to the rest.
The lack of emissions does not mean less pollution and a clean air is nothing if the food your kids will eat comes from a polluted soil. You are mentioning oil extractions which came a long way and can be reversed with a good environmentally program that injects water back in the sands, while your toxic cyanide contaminated soil is doomed for hundreds of years.
Other thoughts:
- Your vehicle can not be used on off road or to access remoted areas, ex. cabins without electricity
- Soon, you will stand in line to charge your vehicle
- You will lose your life charging your vehicle (see above note about the average speed you get with this vehicle)
- your vehicle can not be left at the margin of the woods somewhere and started few weeks later if you want or need
- you cannot have somewhere a jug with electricity that will provide you with another 800 km range.
- your vehicle has a certain range and cannot use “regular power” if “premium power” is not available
- your vehicle can not run at lower temperatures properly, and the life cycle of your batteries will be greatly diminished by a cold environment.
- Your vehicle will be affected in resale value by the number of years of your battery
- you have no freedom and your liberty of freedom is dictated by others
- Your route can not be deviated in a case of emergency or when you want or feel adventourish, your route is dictated by the “grid map”
- You have no freedom of choice, your vehicle is updated with things that you don’t know or depend on.
- Your vehicle disclose to others all your moves
- Your vehicle can not be modified, customized, personality defined
- Your vehicle forces you to be dependent of others while taking away from you some really important human rights. The funny thing is, you give them away freely. Actually, you even pay for that!
- Your vehicle is as safe for you as the cellphone is for your brain.
Etc.