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      08-13-2017, 12:15 PM   #84
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Another argument against the automatic. Driving shouldn't be that easy that someone can just press the wrong pedal and potentially kill people.
Not really. It's not like people driving manuals avoid accidents or stupid behavior. Your argument would advance mandatory collision avoidance systems or even autonomous-only driving more than it would advocate going back in time when everyone drove manual transmissions.
Really I am arguing for more engagement and increased difficulty so that everything is more deliberate. Because even with all those systems, one of them is always bound to fail. The driver is the best system there is but the more you remove skill and deliberation the more unintentional things like this will happen. Yes accidents happen no matter what but.. Catastrophic damage caused by mashing the wrong pedal??
Increased difficultly will not decrease accidents. People will still be distracted and make mistakes. We are on a path as a society to less control over driving, whether we like it or not. If her car were forced to stop itself before collision the vast majority of the general public would advocate that solution rather than making it more difficult to drive.
Ok so you're attributing distractions to accidents? If that's the case should we not do something to force people to focus on driving rather than taking the driving task away from them making it easier to text or watch a movie? If only there was a way to occupy all their hands and feet in the act of driving.

Today we might be on a path for driving automation but that could change. I suspect after a few unintended deaths (already one on the books from autonomous driving) that we will take a step back and take a look at our infrastructure, which will need major work to accommodate.
Joshua Brown was sleeping at the wheel it wouldn't matter if the car had autonomous driving or if he did not he was not paying attention for quite some time and clearly that's what caused his death not the truck & trailer pulling across his path he had plenty of time to react.
Guy was watching a movie and fell asleep. Wonder how he was able to be totally hands free for that long? Autonomous tech. Anything else would have started drifting off the road the second he let go of the steering wheel to put his feet up. Much harder to watch a movie and sleep when you are forced to actually drive.
Your point is valid but it's doesn't completely apply here.


The car gives a warning he disregarded it and it very audible. There were YouTube videos posted by others of that guy sleeping at the wheel. He pushed his luck, he is no longer around accordingly. RIP Joshua Brown.
Indeed. I picked an extreme example as well. Still I can't help but feel the safest options are either fully manual for maximum engagement, no help, or a fully developed, sophisticated system with redundancy, driver assistance, and supporting infrastructure.
It's getting better and better Tesla is very close to level four autonomous driving. The collective amount of miles driven at this point is astounding they are clearly the leader at this point in time.
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