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      01-22-2020, 09:53 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Montaver View Post
It's a massive misconception all season tires are 'no season' tires. Maybe they were once but tire compounds have come a long way in the last 10 years.

A set of Michelin AS/3+ feel very similar to PSS and PS4S on the street, lots of grip, communicate nicely when they are at the edge of traction. The only area they will really struggle is heat management, but put PSS on track after 2 laps they have the same problem. I have driven AS/3+ very aggressively on the street with lots of hard braking and it took a while before they started to overheat.

On a cold day near freezing or below they are far superior to PSS in terms of grip, and are way more responsive than any set of winter tires. Similarly they are great in the rain. Their all round capability really isn't matched by any other tire IMO. Allows you to still have fun with your car in winter at or below freezing temps with very little loss of performance.
I like your enthusiasm but no. Having seen these tires perform back to back(with brand new sets between runs) with instrumented data collection, there’s a chasm of a difference between all season and snow/summer tires.

Have you ever seen all season tires on the std snow traction test? Have you ever driven all seasons on ICE?

Try this simple test but make sure to swap tires onto the same rim(obvs same car too):
- Rent an indoor ice rink and get a bit of insurance
- Get up to 15 mph then hit the brakes and observe the stopping distance
- Please use something remotely scientific to measure the vehicle velocity.
- Take a stop watch and observe the time from 15 mph to 0 mph
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