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BMW M2
BMW M4 GTS
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
Aston Martin Vantage GT8
Audi R8 V10 Plus
Ford Focus RS
Honda NSX
Lamborghini LP580-2
McLaren 570S
Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe
Porsche 911 R
VW Golf GTI Clubsport S

[mike@x-ph.com]

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Thank you for the video OP, i have it saved so i can watch it later tonight

[M3ZING]

Heres the final score, replace the R8 with 570s and all is good.

[conradb]

Apparently the M2 ain't that hot. Not a big surprise.

[M2 CSL]

The GTI clubsport is retarded.

[IB M]

What no GT350?

[RizOne]

What I got from this video regarding the GTS: it is the most racecar of the bunch, engaging and a challenge to drive, a real handful in the wet, super stiff racecar chassis, great suspension and chassis, amazing sounding engine with some turbo whoosh at the top end. What is not to like? I also noticed that the real drivers at EVO picked it as their favorite. That is good enough for me.

[6ixSpd]

The most interesting result there is ranking the C63S coupe above the M2. Did not see that coming, sort of confirms my suspicions that it might actually be a great sports car. The V8 sound track is icing on the cake.

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by conradb

Apparently the M2 ain't that hot. Not a big surprise.

I guess not when you compare it to supercars, lol. At least for us, it's still fun as hell to drive! I really like what McLaren has been putting out and my next car will most likely be a P-Car, but for now, I'll just have to enjoy my 12th place car, haha.

[M3 Adjuster]

I believe there is a previous thread that had some scans of the pages

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by conradb

Apparently the M2 ain't that hot. Not a big surprise.

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by the6M3

The most interesting result there is ranking the C63S coupe above the M2. Did not see that coming, sort of confirms my suspicions that it might actually be a great sports car. The V8 sound track is icing on the cake.

This.

It's also more expensive. And I also don't believe that the handling can be as good given the platform

[VCP]

Originally Posted by conradb

Apparently the M2 ain't that hot. Not a big surprise.

The M2 is fun. Fun.

[BigMacSmallFries]

Another poor showing for the M cars...

After owning an F80 M3 for over two years (my third M3 btw, plus having driven about a dozen different variants of M cars over the years) and modifying it in many ways to improve the driving characteristics I gave up and sold it for a 911. It felt deflating that no matter what the new generation is an average sports car at best and nothing could be done about it. I used to be the biggest BMW M fan boy, but I eventually had enough after I realized the F8x M3 can't be turned into an E9x M3 no matter how much money you throw at it.

The M brand used to be the sports car for the masses punching way above it's weight. After driving the latest gen M5 and finding it as far away from a sports car as possible I was hoping the M3 would be a legit sports car, however, it was a truly frustrating experience as well. It's clear that the M2 is a touch better than the M3/4 but still a lacklustre car. The M4 GTS has had a number of abysmal showings in reviews, ridiculous for a car of this cost especially considering initial reviews for any car are on the positive side, and the truth only comes out after all the fancy press releases and trips awarded to journalists end. The M2 is no exception, another average sports car product.

I hope M upper management comes across posts like this and realizes that within a few short years car enthusiasts are not going to consider M cars as enthusiast cars anymore. M cars have become similar to AMGs just with the addition of a manual transmission and slightly better all around driving characteristics in almost every category. It's disappointing that money was chased vs continuing to create a solid legacy and targeted branding. M cars are a small portion of sales, it was absurd that management decided to focus on profits rather than continue to focus on driving dynamics and enjoyment.

I know this is going to sound harsh, but the executives in charge of the direction of the M brand are a bunch of losers as Trump would say. If I was CEO at BMW I would fire the entire team on the first day and replace management from those at Porsche, and Ferrari instead who still 'get it' to get the ship turned around. Focus should be restored to the true enthusiast fan base and management should reinforce M cars as the ultimate driving machines, the company has almost become AMG in a single generation.

[atxsk8r]

Originally Posted by BigMacSmallFries

Another poor showing for the M cars..

Really?? Two BMW M cars in the top twelve out of thousands of cars they could of picked is impressive to me.

[Liquid2.0T]

Originally Posted by atxsk8r

Really?? Two BMW M cars in the top twelve out of thousands of cars they could of picked is impressive to me.

And FOUR VW Group cars, what's your point? That's not a good measure of how great a car is.

[Brantley847]

Originally Posted by BigMacSmallFries

Another poor showing for the M cars...

After owning an F80 M3 for over two years (my third M3 btw, plus having driven about a dozen different variants of M cars over the years) and modifying it in many ways to improve the driving characteristics I gave up and sold it for a 911. It felt deflating that no matter what the new generation is an average sports car at best and nothing could be done about it. I used to be the biggest BMW M fan boy, but I eventually had enough after I realized the F8x M3 can't be turned into an E9x M3 no matter how much money you throw at it.

The M brand used to be the sports car for the masses punching way above it's weight. After driving the latest gen M5 and finding it as far away from a sports car as possible I was hoping the M3 would be a legit sports car, however, it was a truly frustrating experience as well. It's clear that the M2 is a touch better than the M3/4 but still a lacklustre car. The M4 GTS has had a number of abysmal showings in reviews, ridiculous for a car of this cost especially considering initial reviews for any car are on the positive side, and the truth only comes out after all the fancy press releases and trips awarded to journalists end. The M2 is no exception, another average sports car product.

I hope M upper management comes across posts like this and realizes that within a few short years car enthusiasts are not going to consider M cars as enthusiast cars anymore. M cars have become similar to AMGs just with the addition of a manual transmission and slightly better all around driving characteristics in almost every category. It's disappointing that money was chased vs continuing to create a solid legacy and targeted branding. M cars are a small portion of sales, it was absurd that management decided to focus on profits rather than continue to focus on driving dynamics and enjoyment.

I know this is going to sound harsh, but the executives in charge of the direction of the M brand are a bunch of losers as Trump would say. If I was CEO at BMW I would fire the entire team on the first day and replace management from those at Porsche, and Ferrari instead who still 'get it' to get the ship turned around. Focus should be restored to the true enthusiast fan base and management should reinforce M cars as the ultimate driving machines, the company has almost become AMG in a single generation.

I'm curious what you consider a proper sports car then. The GTS leaves much to be desired at the price point but the M2 managed to be a top 15 car of thousands while being a quarter of the price of some on that list.

I get that the 911 is a superb sports car but it's lacks the practicality that some of us need. I also don't get the knocking of AMG. Those gentlemen make an impressive powertrain (admittedly struggling on handling) ... but yet another car in the top 12 at under 80k. The M4 and C63 were two cars I've looked long and hard at with the 911 being a pipe dream that won't come true with my need for functional rear seats

Don't get me wrong the drop from 8 to 6 cylinders was a sad day for me but the 2/3/4 are impressive cars

[nanceman]

Originally Posted by Brantley847

I'm curious what you consider a proper sports car then. The GTS leaves much to be desired at the price point but the M2 managed to be a top 15 car of thousands while being a quarter of the price of some on that list.

I get that the 911 is a superb sports car but it's lacks the practicality that some of us need. I also don't get the knocking of AMG. Those gentlemen make an impressive powertrain (admittedly struggling on handling) ... but yet another car in the top 12 at under 80k. The M4 and C63 were two cars I've looked long and hard at with the 911 being a pipe dream that won't come true with my need for functional rear seats

Don't get me wrong the drop from 8 to 6 cylinders was a sad day for me but the 2/3/4 are impressive cars

If you don't get why a fan of what M stood for isn't a fan of AMG, then you weren't the audience M was after before anyways.

[KevinM]

Evo always puts together a nice video. I"m going to have to drive a GTI...

[AndrewC1989]

if anyone needs me i'll be sobbing in my M2

[RPChan]

Two reviewers picked the GTS as their favorite. Seems reasonable to me.

[Modawg]

Well I guess I'll cancel my trip to the Welt this Friday to pick up my M2! LOL