[JustChris]

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Track time vs 1M is revealed.....and the statement about unlimited numbers seems off too.

Enjoy though, nice LBB DCT track time.

Apologies if reposted, I've not seen it here.

[gthal]

Fun to watch! Thanks for posting.

In terms of lap times, it's always hard to compare outside of same driver, same day. Far too many variables otherwise. We know the M2 is faster, period. Better or more fun? Debatable as we have seen in other discussions However, it is pretty consistently faster than the 1M as you would expect it to be. I think this is the very first test where they were effectively the same.

[Twix]

Good video. I'm so glad we in North America get the blacked out shadow line. That silver shit around the windows looks so horrible.

[Robin_NL]

Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, my ex 1M was a beast and very fast. I still love that car.
M2 got me better sound and looks(subjectively) but for the rest in terms of feel and driving experience certainly not more than 1M though it apparently is faster irl. It just doesn't feel like that. 1M always felt more up to it and 'faster'. But numbers don't lie so they say.

Compared to M135i on that particular track(1:27:87) ...we already know what the real Ms are

Cheers
Robin

[Nine Lives]

Nice find.

A reviewer who doesn't miss the manual....nah,somethings wrong,call the cops

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Nice find.

A reviewer who doesn't miss the manual....nah,somethings wrong,call the cops

LOL, I love the DCT, it's involving enough for me, I don't want to switch back to 6MT in this kind of modern sportscars. Superfast(always driving manual mode) and combined with the sound and roadholding it's almost a must have in this rather semi digital car....imo.

Cheers
Robin

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by gthal

Fun to watch! Thanks for posting.

In terms of lap times, it's always hard to compare outside of same driver, same day. Far too many variables otherwise. We know the M2 is faster, period. Better or more fun? Debatable as we have seen in other discussions However, it is pretty consistently faster than the 1M as you would expect it to be. I think this is the very first test where they were effectively the same.

Well said

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Twix

Good video. I'm so glad we in North America get the blacked out shadow line. That silver shit around the windows looks so horrible.

It's an optional extra in the rest of the world too. So all M2's have shadow line standard.

[BimmerMat135]

Hahaha the 1M still faster after all these years and without the PSS/7 DCT advantage! In the Carfection review the 1M won over the M2 and in the road and track comparo the 1M was only 0.019 sec slower than the M2. Make me feel that there is no point trading my 1M for a M2.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Hahaha the 1M still faster after all these years and without the PSS/7 DCT advantage! In the Carfection review the 1M won over the M2 and in the road and track comparo the 1M was only 0.019 sec slower than the M2. Make me feel that there is no point trading my 1M for a M2.

There is zero reason for you to trade unless you want a new car. The 1M is great (if you like the looks which are subjective)

However, the 1M is not the faster car. That's not to say that it will not put up similar numbers in some situations but it's a pipe dream to say it's "faster" than the M2 in any way. It simply isn't. There is a big difference on many tracks based on other data out there. But, bottom line is unless it's a same day, same driver thing then it is impossible to determine the exact difference. Some other data points...

Hockenheim - M2 1:12.2, 1M 1:14.1 (SportAuto for both). This is a big difference on a short track.

'Ring - M2 7:58 (BMW) and 8:01 (Sport Auto), 1M 8:15 (Sport Auto). This is a HUGE difference.

Again, this isn't right either as neither are in identical conditions. My only point is the M2 is consistently showing as fast or faster times. When the 1M is similar, they are almost identical. When the M2 is ahead, it is often WAY ahead. This tells you the M2 is the faster car... which is no surprise. It doesn't, however, tell you whether it is the "better" car for some people. "Better" is subjective. "Faster" is a lot more objective and the M2 is simply faster in a straight line and on a track all things equal.

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Hahaha the 1M still faster after all these years and without the PSS/7 DCT advantage! In the Carfection review the 1M won over the M2 and in the road and track comparo the 1M was only 0.019 sec slower than the M2. Make me feel that there is no point trading my 1M for a M2.

Afford both if you can WIN-WIN

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by gthal

There is zero reason for you to trade unless you want a new car. The 1M is great (if you like the looks which are subjective)

However, the 1M is not the faster car. That's not to say that it will not put up similar numbers in some situations but it's a pipe dream to say it's "faster" than the M2 in any way. It simply isn't. There is a big difference on many tracks based on other data out there. But, bottom line is unless it's a same day, same driver thing then it is impossible to determine the exact difference. Some other data points...

Hockenheim - M2 1:12.2, 1M 1:14.1 (SportAuto for both). This is a big difference on a short track.

'Ring - M2 7:58 (BMW) and 8:01 (Sport Auto), 1M 8:15 (Sport Auto). This is a HUGE difference.

Again, this isn't right either as neither are in identical conditions. My only point is the M2 is consistently showing as fast or faster times. When the 1M is similar, they are almost identical. When the M2 is ahead, it is often WAY ahead. This tells you the M2 is the faster car... which is no surprise. It doesn't, however, tell you whether it is the "better" car for some people. "Better" is subjective. "Faster" is a lot more objective and the M2 is just that in a straight line and on a track all things equal.

You are right and I am not going to argue with you. The M2 pull over 1G in the skipad when the 1M could only achieve 0.97 trap speed in the 1/4 mile is 113mph for the M2 and 110mph for the 1M. So on paper you have both a quicker accelerating and handling car. Track results were in line with this. Something I would like to see is a 1M on Pss tires vs a manual M2 the difference would be much smaller I would say. In my case I don't track my car so the day to day experience is more relevant and in that case I beleive that the 1M will give me a wider smile than the M2. My comment was mostly to
put some oil on the fire when I saw so many M2
owner over reacting to the video.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Uh oh, here come the M2 police policing the 1M police. All the "different driver/conditions/other track lap times... blah blah" comments are sure to come. And then, the 1M guys are accused of trolling the M2 forum (this is front page news though ). The 1M is 5 years old with a 6mt and won.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Uh oh, here come the M2 police policing the 1M police. All the "different driver/conditions/other track lap times... blah blah" comments are sure to come. And then, the 1M guys are accused of trolling the M2 forum (this is front page news though ). The 1M is 5 years old with a 6mt and won.

You are right... "different driver/conditions/other track lap times... " not relevant at all

[Rmsport]

I wish there were more street focused reviews for this car!!...it's not a track car regardless of the M badge.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

You are right and I am not going to argue with you. The M2 pull over 1G in the skipad when the 1M could only achieve 0.97 trap speed in the 1/4 mile is 113mph for the M2 and 110mph for the 1M. So on paper you have both a quicker accelerating and handling car. Track results were in line with this. Something I would like to see is a 1M on Pss tires vs a manual M2 the difference would be much smaller I would say. In my case I don't track my car so the day to day experience is more relevant and in that case I beleive that the 1M will give me a wider smile than the M2. My comment was mostly to
put some oil on the fire when I saw so many M2
owner over reacting to the video.

If there is one consistent theme with the 1M, it is the smile it puts on the face of its owners That's why, IMO, choice of cars isn't only about numbers, it is about the experience. Everyone values slightly different things and that's why everyone chooses to buy what they choose to buy.

The fun factor and the exclusivity are real pluses for the 1M. It's a car that many people will hold onto for a long time for very good reason.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Rmsport

I wish there were more street focused reviews for this car!!...it's not a track car regardless of the M badge.

Interesting conclusion... so what, in your opinion, is a "track car?"

All of my cars (including my M2) have been weekend track cars and all were loads of fun (other than my C63). They also hold their own quite well against pretty much anything else.

Is it a "race car"? No, that's pretty clear but it is a capable track car out of the box and even more so with pads and tires.

Besides, the reason track reviews are helpful is that it speaks to the overall capability of the car... yes, you are always under the capability of the car on the street (if you aren't being a tool) but many people use these cars as dual purpose cars

P.S. I don't disagree that more street oriented reviews are helpful for many who just want a DD. There are a number floating around and lots of owner feedback here that should be helpful.

[M3 Number 86]

i want this car so bad....baby, house, and current car though.

shit i need to reprioritize to YOLO version lol

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Uh oh, here come the M2 police policing the 1M police. All the "different driver/conditions/other track lap times... blah blah" comments are sure to come. And then, the 1M guys are accused of trolling the M2 forum (this is front page news though ). The 1M is 5 years old with a 6mt and won.

So let me get this straight:

You're telling me that, if you gave me the keys to your 1M, and I put down a lap, then you put down a lap on the same car, that we would both set the same time because driver/conditions/etc don't matter?

Another case: if you drove a track, then moved that track up 5,000 feet, by your logic the track times would be the same, no?

It would not have been hard for them to get a 1M and just do a side by side on the same day, with the same driver and then we could all avoid these arguments.

It's a simple fact of life that different people drive differently and different conditions make the same driver drive differently.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

So let me get this straight:

You're telling me that, if you gave me the keys to your 1M, and I put down a lap, then you put down a lap on the same car, that we would both set the same time because driver/conditions/etc don't matter?

Another case: if you drove a track, then moved that track up 5,000 feet, by your logic the track times would be the same, no?

It would not have been hard for them to get a 1M and just do a side by side on the same day, with the same driver and then we could all avoid these arguments.

It's a simple fact of life that different people drive differently and different conditions make the same driver drive differently.

That's not really what I am saying. I just think it is hilarious that this whole thread will be filled with excuses as to why the 1M had a faster lap time. It's rhetoric that is pervasive throughout the F8X subforum and others that I keep tabs on. If the M2 had a faster time than the 1M in the above video none of the M2 guys would've mentioned conditions/driver etc. as to why it was faster than the 1M because it doesn't serve their arguments but now we see it...

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

That's not really what I am saying. I just think it is hilarious that this whole thread will be filled with excuses as to why the 1M had a faster lap time. It's rhetoric that is pervasive throughout the F8X subforum and others that I keep tabs on. If the M2 had a faster time than the 1M in the above video none of the M2 guys would've mentioned conditions/driver etc. as to why it was faster than the 1M because it doesn't serve their arguments but now we see it...

Fair enough, I agree.

Why can't we all get along and accept the M2 as the best M of all time?

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Fair enough, I agree.

Why can't we all get along and accept the M2 as the best M of all time?

Best M on sale? The problem is every M car has its cult followers which praise their car and decry everything else (this is mainly on the internet and not at meets/cruises). So it is always an uphill battle for the new guys.