[Sickshift]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Hmm I'm skeptical...seems like a lot and I've heard no increase at least for my dealership.

I checked with my SA and he confirmed they received this information today from BMW Canada as well.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Sickshift

I checked with my SA and he confirmed they received this information today from BMW Canada as well.

Damn, that sucks!

[CanadianDriver]

Originally Posted by vugz10

Looks like a $2K price increase for MY17. Just received the attached from my SA.

Upgrades include the new idrive. Options include wireless charging and sunroof.

MPE w/carbon tips = $3500

Thanks very much for sharing this vugz10
You rock!

I take that the price increase can be attributed to the new Nav and high demand. Factoring the FX rate down south, our pricing is still within reasonable range... although I will never say NO to incentives to bring it back down

[parrnan]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I wasn't expecting it to be that much,there was no price increase for the 2017 model in Germany.The people that ordered the 2016 model and now will be getting the 2017 model,definitely won't be happy.At least they get the updated Nav and Apple CarPlay.

You are right, when you order a MY16 at a specific price and BMW do not have the capacity or the willingness to honor your order and you end up with a MY17 and a $2K price increase you have at least 2000 good reasons not to be happy... Especially when you know that there is no price increase in Germany.

[parrnan]

Did someone notice the change in tire sizes for MY17 (in the PDF documents posted by vugz10)

Front: 19x9.0, 255/35 R19
Rear: 19x10.0, 275/35 R19

I hope that this is not an error in the document...

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by Benzima

It looks it will be factory/port installed because the price is significantly lower (on MY16, it was a 4500$ + installation (approx 1-2hrs), but MY16 gets to keep the stock exhaust).

I think it is a better deal since I had no plans to keep the stock exhaust anyways.

Would be interesting if they charged a different price for the MPE if you didn't order with the car. Because with exchange rates and stuff, if it was $3500CAD, I could see myself ordering from a Canadian dealer since that's $2700 USD. any CA or SA in Canada know?

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

Would be interesting if they charged a different price for the MPE if you didn't order with the car. Because with exchange rates and stuff, if it was $3500CAD, I could see myself ordering from a Canadian dealer since that's $2700 USD. any CA or SA in Canada know?

My guestimate for 3500$CAN is factory/port installed.

Otherwise, the price is close to 4900$CAN when you order with MY16 for parts only.

[CanadianDriver]

Originally Posted by parrnan

Did someone notice the change in tire sizes for MY17 (in the PDF documents posted by vugz10)

Front: 19x9.0, 255/35 R19
Rear: 19x10.0, 275/35 R19

I hope that this is not an error in the document...

good catch parrnan !
2017 models will be extra grippy

[gthal]

I actually think $2,000 isn't bad. The car, IMO, is underpriced already relative to the M235i and the demand is huge. Couple that with some new stuff (and a sunroof option which I'm jealous of) and I think it is STILL a bargain.

I understand the $2,000 is disappointing for people who wanted no increase but I think that it doesn't change the value proposition in a meaningful way... especially consider Canadian dollar.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by CanadianDriver

good catch parrnan !
2017 models will be extra grippy

Likely pulled from the M3/4. If this is true (which it may not be because things like this get messed up in releases all of the time), it may be for cost savings... i.e. they get better pricing only ordering wheels/tires of one size for the M2/3/4. No one will notice the difference in performance of the 10mm... tire compound is far more relevant that a 10mm width change and I'm assuming the compound is staying the same. If they changed the tire (to a better compound) and went a little wider THEN you would have more grip

I've stopped upgrading my tire size unless I also change the compound. I found no difference is performance on the street or track with mild upgrades. The downside was reduced steering responsiveness from the wider front. But, again, 10mm isn't enough to notably change the steering feel either.

The other pro/con is the wider tire takes on a thicker, meatier, rounder look to the sidewall. Some like that. Some like the more square, shorter sidewall. When I went to 285 on the M4, the one thing I did NOT like was the rounder, meatier sidewall look. Some like it though.

[CanadianDriver]

gthal your theory about cost savings is likely true. attached are the spec sheets from previous ppbs (m3/m4 vs m2 2017/2016)

[Benzima]

I really hope the M2 does not get the Continentals from the M3/M4...

I was really looking forward to the Michelin PSS.

[twboy1999]

is weird they would change the tire size

let see if this is actually true when more info come out

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Benzima

I really hope the M2 does not get the Continentals from the M3/M4...

I was really looking forward to the Michelin PSS.

It is probably just a mistake in the BMW Canada 2017 M2 ordering guide.The 2017 German M2 ordering guide still lists the tire size as being the same as the 2016 model.


http://www.bmw.de/dam/brandBM/market...01.pdf?desktop

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by gthal

I actually think $2,000 isn't bad. The car, IMO, is underpriced already relative to the M235i and the demand is huge. Couple that with some new stuff (and a sunroof option which I'm jealous of) and I think it is STILL a bargain.

I understand the $2,000 is disappointing for people who wanted no increase but I think that it doesn't change the value proposition in a meaningful way... especially consider Canadian dollar.

I agree that $2000 wasn't unexpected. No doubt BMW Canada was lobbied hard by the dealerships to bump the MSRP. Maybe they are also experiencing an invoice price bump from BMW AG due to our crappy dollar.

To downgrade the tires to Conti's is disappointing, if true, as is the switch from the tire size it has been designed with and reviewed with. Wonder what other more minor "upgrades" they will be switching in unannounced to save money.

The sunroof option is no benefit to those who don't want one. Though I would be glad to switch allocation spots with you gthal if you really want it

[Dabozo]

I'm happy about the sunroof option but 1500 seems steep. Especially with the 2000 added on top. My SA was quite surprised at the amount of increase too.
Still a great car for the money though.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-1er

I agree that $2000 wasn't unexpected. No doubt BMW Canada was lobbied hard by the dealerships to bump the MSRP. Maybe they are also experiencing an invoice price bump from BMW AG due to our crappy dollar.

To downgrade the tires to Conti's is disappointing, if true, as is the switch from the tire size it has been designed with and reviewed with. Wonder what other more minor "upgrades" they will be switching in unannounced to save money.

The sunroof option is no benefit to those who don't want one. Though I would be glad to switch allocation spots with you gthal if you really want it

Our dollar has actually improved since the debut so I don't think the currency valuation is a valid reason.

[parrnan]

Originally Posted by twboy1999

is weird they would change the tire size

let see if this is actually true when more info come out

I agree, I guess that might just be a mistake in the document. But I hope not because I prefer 275 instead of 265, in fact I really would have prefered to see 295/30 or 305/30 instead of 265/35... For the front wheels I don't care, 245 or 255 are both OK with me.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

Our dollar has actually improved since the debut so I don't think the currency valuation is a valid reason.

Since the April 16th 2016 debut yes it is higher or the same now. But assuming they set the price sometime in 2015 it is lower now versus the euro on a YTD average.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-1er

Since the April 16th 2016 debut yes it is higher or the same now. But assuming they set the price sometime in 2015 it is lower now versus the euro on a YTD average.

Good point. I doubt they waited til the debut to set the price.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Benzima

I really hope the M2 does not get the Continentals from the M3/M4...

I was really looking forward to the Michelin PSS.

Yes I would be upset too. I had the PS on my last car and they were awesome tires. Loads of grip and looked great!

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

Yes I would be upset too. I had the PS on my last car and they were awesome tires. Loads of grip and looked great!

I put PSS's on my Z4MC last summer and they were incredible!