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True, however, the weather in some areas is far more questionable than others. Wales is particularly bipolar when it come to topic of wet weather. Even the tired a true "same day, same track, same driver" adage for lap times is difficult to apply at Anglesey due to the rapidly changing conditions.
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Whilst the figures are exciting, unless you race these are just bragging figures... and bragging about a machine that one didn't make or design, but are willing to pay exponential amounts of money for. I'm sure there are hundreds of people out there that would thrash me on this course even if I were in the one of the top 15 cars and they were in my 320d.
That said I'd love the M3 CP and I feel for those who've spent a fortune on the GTS and seen it rated as slower. |
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With the correct tires and correct adjustments I am sure it will be ahead of your CP M3 even if you ran the same tires. That said I still think the GTS is to expensive for what you get. |
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And fitting M3/4-sized tires could also help. M2 tires are 10mm narrower on the exact same wheels.
(Probably to make sure the M2 doesn't threaten M3/4 Nordschleife lap times.)
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I'd say cooling could be a big one. Both for times in hot climates and long term reliability. Tire width would help but so would softer compound especially if you got stuck with contis
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Therefore, absent that data, I'm willing to take these times as a rough estimate of the two cars' capabilities at that track... |
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I could list a 100000 “what if” scenarios that the M2 would be much slower. We can start ‘in a straight line to 60mph’ and go from there. How about ‘with 1 flat tire’? Or ‘on the Daytona Speedway’. |
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So you get to pick the "master" track that's used to compare the M2 to all other cars? There is no equivalency between "100,000 'what if' scenarios" and pointing out that the M4 is faster around the Nordschleife, or any other larger track for that matter. Of course the M4 is going to be faster around a larger track; it's got a better power-to-weight ratio, so it benefits from longer straights. That's not some obscure "what if", that's common sense. Any discussion surrounding lap times for road cars always devolves in to this same pissing match. Everyone picks their favorite, and then cherry picks results that support theirs. I guarantee you that for 99% of the people on this board, if you put them behind the wheel of both cars at a three day track school, everyone would walk away with a different favorite, and it would have very little to do with the lap time. A good car is like a good video game. Challenging, but not beyond your capability. It must respond to your controls, and it must work for your driving style. Some people are heavy-handed, while others have a light touch. It must also suit your tastes. Some people love drag racing, while others like to drive around a circuit. Some people like to hang the tail out, while others like to keep it tidy. You can't tell anything about these characteristics from a lap time, so don't lose any sleep over the fact that one car is a few seconds faster than another around a circuit. Drive what you like.
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Guy, calm down. The entire point of my post (if you bothered to read it in context) is that there can be a million “what if’s” and that my comment was for this video and race trackalone. I didn’t plan on getting into a debate about the millions of racing variables and the merits of yadda vs yadda. I was responding to the topic at hand. DRIVETRIBE FAST LAP. Are you getting me now? Last edited by OSee; 08-09-2017 at 08:56 PM.. |
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The Patriots have won 100000 straight games at home! "What if they played away!" Makes so much sense. |
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Once the driver steps out of the car, I wouldn't ask him for his lap time.
I would ask him whether he enjoyed the ride and whether he thinks that it's major uncool if BMW wouldn't make the 6MT available for the M2 CS.
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I'm talking about this weeks Giants vs Redskins game at FedEx Field and you want to talk about the theoretical one a year from now at MetLife (I don't think football analogies are working with you). Why is it so hard to understand that? Sidenote: Nice job being manipulative and taking my journalist response completely out of context. Stefan made a comment that suggested journalists opinions should not be criticized. I responded DIRECTLY to that. Not the quote that you suggest up there. My only answer is to put you on ignore to stop this madness. Last edited by OSee; 08-10-2017 at 02:20 PM.. |
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"BMW M3 Competition Pack Faster than M4 GTS on Anglesey Track" (Aug 9, 2017): http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/08/09/vi...nglesey-track/
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It's cool. I can't say I'm surprised. Keep that head buried deep in the sand, bud.
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