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I'm all for xDrive ///M cars. M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 ... why not! AWD is the future of performance. You can only put down so much power to 2 wheels, before the nannies kick in and kill the party. As an option of course, not standard. Just like DCT/MT. Not all of us are drifting hooligans. |
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That's the beauty of turbo engines - you can cannibalize them whichever way that fits the purpose.
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04-30-2014, 04:47 PM | #180 |
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I'll have to see it to believe it.
Mercedes has a 2L 360 PS in their entry level AMG (A, CLA). Audi/VW is currently working on a 400 PS 2L for their entry level RS models to replace the previous 5-cylinder engine. (RS3, TT-RS, Golf R 400) 2L shaves off a lot of weight, compared to 3L. If in 2 years BMW will shove a N55 in their M entry level model, hmm... In 2016, this motor will be 7 years old, and emission regulations are not getting easier. And why is everyone buzzing? I recall not so long ago the forums were talking V6 for the new M3. You don't know what's coming until BMW confirms it. |
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but that will only add weight, and based on other platforms, not give enough room for adequate stance of the car. sort of defeats the purpose of an M car no?
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04-30-2014, 05:12 PM | #187 |
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I thought that was what I had read - makes sense on the bigger HP cars - not sure it would make sense in the 2,3, or 4 Ms.
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maybe awd but something like 20% to the front only? but id rather not have all that weight. |
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04-30-2014, 05:14 PM | #189 |
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Would have preferred a detuned S55 but I'll take the n55. Seems like this will be the only single turbo M car BMW sells though.
Here's hoping we have some decent aftermarket turbo options so we can upgrade from day 1. |
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God I can't wait for this thing. Glad I haven't placed order yet on an M235i. Now I know not to do a 3 year lease. Either buy M235i and trade in 2 years later or just wait it out.
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It's a great engine - just very different than an I6.
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The 235 is a great car but a let down if you come from 1M. Really excited about M2! I estimate 350 hp in final form but I dread that they will bloat it like 235i. I don't want tv display nor I drive nor 10 lbs of badges. Come on BMW! Get it right!
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I wonder how different the motor will be from the M3/M4, will the production runs be generous, and of course pricing.
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A turbo straight 6 was a guarantee, as the M235i has a straight 6 as well. BMW chopped two cylinders off of the E30 M3's motor because that car was designed for homologated racing. This isn't.
I'm sure this motor will have stronger moving bits than the N55 in past cars. I'm not worried about "tunability" I am worried about power delivery. The N series motors are far less fit for track duty than the S. BMW, it seems, has gone to some lengths to improve high-RPM operation on the S55. I would hope they do the same on this engine. However, if that was a design goal, I don't see why they wouldn't just stick a retuned S55 in the car. It would have been a much cheaper way to make 375hp and a proper torque curve. I'm excited for the chassis of the M2 but, I'll hold my elation for the motor until it's properly dyno'ed. I'm not confident it's going to deliver power in a way that an M car should. |
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