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View Poll Results: M2 Competition base price guesstimate (USA)
same price as current M2 2 1.04%
around $2K more 3 1.55%
around $3K more 14 7.25%
around $5K more 50 25.91%
over $5K more 124 64.25%
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      12-10-2017, 08:36 PM   #1
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Please post what you think the base price of the M2 Competition is going to be in the US.

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This topic has been speculated to death and with no new info you will see similar results. Based on what we know regarding options and no limited production I stand by my previous call of $61,400 base MSRP with options taking it beyond $70K if speced out.
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      12-10-2017, 10:41 PM   #4
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Definitely more than 5K more. Does not make sense to introduce a CS model with new engine in similar price like the previous model.

Key point might me the more options buyer will have to order the car leading to a sum up to 15-20K more for a fully loaded configuration.
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      12-10-2017, 10:46 PM   #5
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We know from the leaked VINs that the M2 Competition will have the following options that are not currently on the M2. M Seat Belts, M Mirrors, Front PDC and an s55 engine. This is my educated guess what the M2 Competition base will cost. I don't see it breaking $60k for the base price purely based on this being an entry level M car. Doing so IMO defeats the purpose of this car and why BMW made it in the first place.

Current Base M2 $53,500
M Seat Belts $300
M Mirrors $500
Front PDC $500
s55 $3,700
TOTAL: $58,500
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Definitely more than 5K more. Does not make sense to introduce a CS model with new engine in similar price like the previous model.

Key point might me the more options buyer will have to order the car leading to a sum up to 15-20K more for a fully loaded configuration.
It's not a CS model, it's just the new base model.
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I think it depends on how BMW wants to market the car. If the intent is to provide a entry level M, just with upgrades from the current platform, I think they'd definitely have to keep the base price under 60k. Ie. 55-57k + options. If the intent is to market the vehicle for "the M2 specific buyer" I could see 60k+ base etc with options pushing into the 70's. I may be speaking for myself, but I think the latter would push most buyers into an M3/M4. Details can't come soon enough.
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Please post what you think the base price of the M2 Competition is going to be in the US.
Why?
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      12-11-2017, 11:18 AM   #9
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Why?
Why not?

Its just a poll speculating about what the price of the car will be.Once BMW releases the official pricing,we can see which group is closer to the price.
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Why not?

Its just a poll speculating about what the price of the car will be.Once BMW releases the official pricing,we can see which group is closer to the price.
Got it. Voted and apparently I'm in the realistic/pessimistic group
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      12-11-2017, 03:25 PM   #12
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Got it. Voted and apparently I'm in the realistic/pessimistic group
Same here.

Let's say the 'conservative group' who would have also ticked an even more expensive box if available in the poll.
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Same here.

Let's say the 'conservative group' who would have also ticked an even more expensive box if available in the poll.
Same.

M3/4 ZCP:
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Cost: +$4,750 USD
Details: +20 HP (declared); retuned steering, Adaptive M suspension, DSC, and M diff; 20" wheels, and cosmetic upgrades. Same S55 engine.

M2 Competition:
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Cost: $53,500 USD + X, X = ??
Details: speculated +40 HP via S55 upgrade from N55 (we all reasonably suspect that the dyno will say some higher numbers), plus possible gearing adjustment --6MT box and diff; retuned suspension (?), steering (?), et al.


I cannot see such jump from base to Competition model's starting price delta X being significantly less than the M3/4's ZCP, even leaving wheels' $$ out of the equation. My guess is X = ~$6K, assuming the M3/4 ZCP is an indication, for a $59,500 USD base price.


I am on order for a '19 Competition --and planning on keeping both M2s. I am expecting, however, a ~$70K before tax total, after all is said and done --count me in for another who has no idea what Hockenheim Silver looks like but thinks it is the color to select, Exec Pkg, some reasonable/utilitarian options (it appears that the Competition is coming with BMW's usual optioning $$ menu), plus fees.

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Yup.

M3/4 ZCP:
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Cost: +$4,750 USD
Details: +20 HP (declared); retuned steering, Adaptive M suspension, DSC, and M diff; 20" wheels, and cosmetic upgrades. Same S55 engine.

M2 Competition:
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Cost: ?
Details: speculated +40 HP via S55 upgrade from N55, plus possible gearing adjustment --6MT box and diff; retuned suspension (?), steering (?), et al.


I cannot see such jump from base to Competition model starting price costing significantly less than the M3/4's ZCP, even leaving wheels' $$ out of the equation.


I am on order for a '19 Competition --and planning on keeping both M2s. I am expecting, however, a ~$70K before tax total, after all is said and done.
I think on a dyno it's going to be WAY more than 40 hp!
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      12-13-2017, 04:02 AM   #15
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I think on a dyno it's going to be WAY more than 40 hp!
As we know, some official base M2 figures:
  • max output: 272 kW = 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech [USA]) @ 6500 rpm
  • max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm = 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm
Akrapovič tested a stock M2 (2016) (i.e. before fitting their exhaust). Their test results (see here):
  • max output: 284.3 kW = 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech [USA]) @ 5500 rpm
    = 272 kW + 4.5221%
  • max torque: 558.8 Nm = 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
    = 500 Nm + 11.76%
M2 Competition:
  • max output: 302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) or 405 hp (mech [USA])
Purely hypothetical exercise: if exactly the same factor as measured by Akrapovič for the base M2 would apply for the M2 Competition, you get the following results:
  • max output: 302 kW + 4.5221% = 315.66 kW = 429.2 hp (metric) or 423.3 hp (mech [USA])
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Yup.

M3/4 ZCP:
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Cost: +$4,750 USD
Details: +20 HP (declared); retuned steering, Adaptive M suspension, DSC, and M diff; 20" wheels, and cosmetic upgrades. Same S55 engine.

M2 Competition:
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Cost: ?
Details: speculated +40 HP via S55 upgrade from N55, plus possible gearing adjustment --6MT box and diff; retuned suspension (?), steering (?), et al.


I cannot see such jump from base to Competition model starting price costing significantly less than the M3/4's ZCP, even leaving wheels' $$ out of the equation.


I am on order for a '19 Competition --and planning on keeping both M2s. I am expecting, however, a ~$70K before tax total, after all is said and done.
Edit: Re-reading what you wrote, are you saying that the Competition M2 will cost at least $4750 more than the current M2 (I believe it will be ~$6k +/- more), with full options and freight/pdi/admin fees, etc. bringing it to ~$70k before tax? In which case, I completely agree with you. Lol

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I’d be willing to bet up to $5k that it will have an MSRP less than the Base M4 MSRP in the US (IE. at least $4751 less than the ZCP M4), as long as it has the Competition designation. Let me know if you’re interested!

Edit: Re-reading what you wrote, are you saying that the Competition M2 will cost at least $4750 more than the current M2 (I believe it will be ~$6k +/- more), with full options and freight/pdi/admin fees, etc. bringing it to ~$70k before tax? In which case, I completely agree with you. Lol
You nailed it --that is what I had tried to convey. Edited my post to reflect it better.
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As we know, some official base M2 figures:
  • max output: 272 kW = 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech [USA]) @ 6500 rpm
  • max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm = 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm
Akrapovič tested a stock M2 (2016) (i.e. before fitting their exhaust). Their test results (see here):
  • max output: 284.3 kW = 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech [USA]) @ 5500 rpm
    = 272 kW + 4.5221%
  • max torque: 558.8 Nm = 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
    = 500 Nm + 11.76%
M2 Competition:
  • max output: 302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) or 405 hp (mech [USA])
Purely hypothetical exercise: if exactly the same factor as measured by Akrapovič for the base M2 would apply for the M2 Competition, you get the following results:
  • max output: 302 kW + 4.5221% = 315.66 kW = 429.2 hp (metric) or 423.3 hp (mech [USA])
Another angle: according to DINAN (mid page, Specs tab), the S55 in the M3/4 base, non-ZCP:
BMW Factory Rated HP: 425 (484 Measured)
BMW Factory Rated Tq: 406 (446 Measured)

Also purely hypothetical, using the above, linearly adjusting:
Rumored M2 Comp HP: 405 --> 461 Measured?
Rumored M2 Comp Tq: 400 --> 440 Measured?

Now a hypothetical wish: whatever the numbers turn out to be, I secretly hope they fit it with (at least 0.5") wider rear wheels/tires...
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Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
As we know, some official base M2 figures:
  • max output: 272 kW = 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech [USA]) @ 6500 rpm
  • max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm = 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm
Akrapovič tested a stock M2 (2016) (i.e. before fitting their exhaust). Their test results (see here):
  • max output: 284.3 kW = 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech [USA]) @ 5500 rpm
    = 272 kW + 4.5221%
  • max torque: 558.8 Nm = 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
    = 500 Nm + 11.76%
M2 Competition:
  • max output: 302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) or 405 hp (mech [USA])
Purely hypothetical exercise: if exactly the same factor as measured by Akrapovič for the base M2 would apply for the M2 Competition, you get the following results:
  • max output: 302 kW + 4.5221% = 315.66 kW = 429.2 hp (metric) or 423.3 hp (mech [USA])
Another angle: according to DINAN (mid page, Specs tab), the S55 in the M3/4 base, non-ZCP:
BMW Factory Rated HP: 425 (484 Measured)
BMW Factory Rated Tq: 406 (446 Measured)

Also purely hypothetical, using the above, linearly adjusting:
Rumored M2 Comp HP: 405 --> 461 Measured?
Rumored M2 Comp Tq: 400 --> 440 Measured?

Now a hypothetical wish: whatever the numbers turn out to be, I secretly hope they fit it with (at least 0.5") wider rear wheels/tires...
Not likely on the wider wheels. All F80/82/87 have had 9 "and 10" wheels (except for the GTS with 9.5 and 10.5). But they can clearly put wider tires on the same 9" and 10" wheel:

F87: 245/265
F80/82 base: 255/275
F80/82 Comp pack: 265/285

But I agree and hope that it has wider rubber, or Cup 2 tires ...and I'm thinking about this for the limited edition model CS if it ends up being made. No way the M2 Competition is going to have cup 2 tires.
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I think it would have been a more useful and interesting survey had you included more resolution at the high end, e.g., $5K more, $7.5K more, $10K more, etc. Having so many "bins" at the low end seems like a waste.

Clearly, most respondents believe that the base price will be in excess of $5K higher - how much higher would be interesting to know. Regards. -scr

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Another angle: according to DINAN (mid page, Specs tab), the S55 in the M3/4 base, non-ZCP:
BMW Factory Rated HP: 425 (484 Measured)
BMW Factory Rated Tq: 406 (446 Measured)

Also purely hypothetical, using the above, linearly adjusting:
Rumored M2 Comp HP: 405 --> 461 Measured?
Rumored M2 Comp Tq: 400 --> 440 Measured?

Now a hypothetical wish: whatever the numbers turn out to be, I secretly hope they fit it with (at least 0.5") wider rear wheels/tires...
Yet another way to look at it is these S55 cars seem to run WHP numbers very close to their rated crank power (on Dynojet). So if the M2 Competition comes rated at 405HP there's a strong possibility it will make 405WHP with the factory tune.

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Not likely on the wider wheels. All F80/82/87 have had 9 "and 10" wheels (except for the GTS with 9.5 and 10.5). But they can clearly put wider tires on the same 9" and 10" wheel:

F87: 245/265
F80/82 base: 255/275
F80/82 Comp pack: 265/285

But I agree and hope that it has wider rubber, or Cup 2 tires ...and I'm thinking about this for the limited edition model CS if it ends up being made. No way the M2 Competition is going to have cup 2 tires.
I tend to agree with you that they will leave the wheel width and go with 255/275 (non-cup) tires.
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