[rich8566]

Originally Posted by chief1richard

Anyone have any experience between the Perfomance and Dedicated winter tires? I am in Northeast and we get plenty of snow. Have used X-Ice before and they are very good. Would consider Performance if they were 90% as good in snow.

Performance snow tires have worked extremely well for me. I've had them on 4 or 5 cars now. They're great in the snow and very good in the dry and wet too.

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Im in Ct and have only used Performance winter tires for the last decade. I dont have to go through deep snow though.. If you really need to drive on 4"+ unplowed snow conditions, Id forego those and go with the more purpose built dedicated snows.

I go with performance snows. My cars never have enough ground clearance to go in more than 4" of snow anyway.

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by chris719

It depends on your driving habits, work, etc. I'd say. I've used performance winters for the past 10 years, but I don't drive when it is truly dangerous or when it's deeper than a few inches.

You may go a month or so without significant snowfall in the northeast and so most of your driving is going to favor the performance winter. I'd rather not trade the wet and dry performance that is more important most of the time.

Tires matter but I've found that ground clearance is the real issue. More than 4 of 5 inches of snow and you're not going anywhere regardless of the tires. I've found performance snow tires to be excellent in the snow in Westchester County NY, plus they are a real relief compared to non performance snow tires when the roads are just dry or wet which is most of the time in winter.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by rich8566

Tires matter but I've found that ground clearance is the real issue. More than 4 of 5 inches of snow and you're not going anywhere regardless of the tires. I've found performance snow tires to be excellent in the snow in Westchester County NY, plus they are a real relief compared to non performance snow tires when the roads are just dry or wet which is most of the time in winter.

I agree.. I mean with our climate, these tires will be on the car from mid november til the end of march up here. 4-5 mos. Most of that time will be driven on dry roads, with the main issue being cold roads.. Performance snows do great on cold roads, where the summer tires would be slipping all over the place. And if the towns still have budget to plow snow, thats usually taken care of quickly here.. So generally, performance snows make sense.. As has been stated deep snow on unplowed roads will create clearance problems before traction problems. I think Id only consider aggressive tread snows if I lived in northern New England or parts of the upper mid west.

[SamerTronics]

BUMP! So that as much people can get in on this deal

[RedCarrot]

It's not just snow. Ice or black ice presents a much larger risk than snow. There's also incline/decline that some have to deal with. Performance winter tires could have a difficult time rolling from a stop on slippery incline; same is true for stopping while rolling down a slippery decline and/or under sudden hard braking.

It is very dependent on the individual's commute and surrounding, and his/her adversity to risk for reward. I don't think there's a blanket answer for everyone. Heck, I haven't reconciled this dilemma for myself lol

[ZPrime]

Wish this group buy offered Nokian tires. If I could get a square 18x8 setup with Hakkapeliitta R2 as narrow as possible (225/45R18 would be nice), I'd be in.

[chief1richard]

What happens when tire deal opens? Will you be able to change tire size from your original "interest"?

[ObsidianX]

I'm glad I stumbled onto this group buy before the window expired! I think I'm about the pull the trigger for my M2.

I live in Northern VA. Between the X-ICE and the Alpin tires, which do you recommend? If it is messy I will drive my other car. But I do want to use my M2 year round.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by chief1richard

What happens when tire deal opens? Will you be able to change tire size from your original "interest"?

You can absolutely change your tire size when the deal opens. Nothing is set in stone during the feeler stage.

[boostm3]

Re proper TPMS to order, for M2s produced after (11/01/16), ie some MY '17 and all MY '18, according to both my dealership parts mgr and realoem, the correct part number is 36106881890.

Some earlier model M2s used 36106856209 .

According to the dates given on realoem, there appears to be some overlap in models produced after 11/01/16 and before 5/16/17. This gets tricky and is rife with error opportunities. Its not just a part number change; its a whole different construction. According to my parts mgr, the newer part number features an integrated valve; the earlier one requires a separate valve. It is also possible that they work on different frequencies, although I wasnt able to confirm this.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...&q=36106881890

I have written Dylan at Apex requesting he provide the correct part number for these newer models. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, so hopefully we can get some clarification from Apex.

****** EDIT****
I just heard from Apex and they are telling me the part number change is internal to BMW but functionally, they are the same part. So I guess we are good to go with the 36106856209 .

ORDERED!

[chief1richard]

Am about to pledge for my tires. Am on the fence with width. I am going with 9" wheels. Was thinking of 255, now I am thinking 245 for Performance winters. Any thoughts?

[ObsidianX]

Originally Posted by chief1richard

Am about to pledge for my tires. Am on the fence with width. I am going with 9" wheels. Was thinking of 255, now I am thinking 245 for Performance winters. Any thoughts?

I went for exactly this... 18x9ET31 square with 245/40R18 Michelin X Ice Xi3. Looking forward to using my M2 year round.

[walrus]

In case people haven't seen the email from APEX today:

We’re off to a great start as we’re just 4 members away from hitting the Max discount already. Although the deal ends in 6 days, if we hit the max discount sooner we can begin preparing orders and that can carve off as much as a week from our original shipping ETA.

Pledge now if you haven’t already, or convince others to do so in order to get your wheels early.

[bedensbrook]

Originally Posted by walrus

In case people haven't seen the email from APEX today:

As of this morning, we’re one shy of 30.

[lazyd0c]

I was the "one" who tipped it over

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Goal has been met

-Matt

[ZPrime]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts

Goal has been met

-Matt

Matt / Apex, any chance of adding an 18x8 option to be used with 225/45 tires? No need for 8.5" or 9" width for snow setup...
I'd be partial to something with less spokes too, but realize it's probably too late for that. (Fewer / thicker spokes make it easier to clear out any snow/ice buildup, a "mesh" style wheel looks cool but they suck if you get snow frozen in them.)

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by ZPrime

Matt / Apex, any chance of adding an 18x8 option to be used with 225/45 tires? No need for 8.5" or 9" width for snow setup...
I'd be partial to something with less spokes too, but realize it's probably too late for that. (Fewer / thicker spokes make it easier to clear out any snow/ice buildup, a "mesh" style wheel looks cool but they suck if you get snow frozen in them.)

Thanks for the post! We'd definitely offer an 18x8" if we made the EC-7 in that size, but there just hasn't been demand for it outside of a winter setup, and most drivers like the 8.5" and 9" sizes just the same.

[bedensbrook]

Originally Posted by lazyd0c

I was the "one" who tipped it over

[chief1richard]

Originally Posted by F87LUV

Hi everyone. For those that expressed interest, we'll need 30 members to receive a $200 discount and free shipping. Tires will come already mounted and balanced.

Additional details can be found here:

https://www.groupbuyparts.com/winter...e-gb-2017.html

Has anyone who ordered wheels not gotten your first choice?

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by chief1richard

Has anyone who ordered wheels not gotten your first choice?

yes.