[edycol]

Originally Posted by ThreeStripes

This is nice to read as I moved off PPE 5W40 to Motul X-Cess Gen 2 5W40 for the past two track weekends.

I have two samples each with a weekend of track use and roughly 800 street miles I’ll be mailing in soon to compare against the PPE.

PPE 5W40 will have similar HTHS to Motul. All these oils are as good as you can get. Motul posts HTHS
and I appreciate that. Pennzoil HTHS around 3.8 (same as Motul) is educated guess.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by edycol

PPE 5W40 will have similar HTHS to Motul. All these oils are as good as you can get. Motul posts HTHS
and I appreciate that. Pennzoil HTHS around 3.8 (same as Motul) is educated guess.

I emailed shell one year to ask and they told me it was 3.8, but couldn't/wouldn't give me any documentation to prove it because it was confidential. So I would assume it's 3.8.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by F87source

I emailed shell one year to ask and they told me it was 3.8, but couldn't/wouldn't give me any documentation to prove it because it was confidential. So I would assume it's 3.8.

The last public PDS that listed HTHS said 3.88 I believe but it's really hard to tell since they have tweaked the formula a few times. It also lost the Ferrari approval at some point and that previous formula became the impossible-to-find Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5W-40. Still, I would believe it's at least 3.7.

https://solutions.shell.com/us/produ...W-40__001G9865

[F87source]

Originally Posted by chris719

The last public PDS that listed HTHS said 3.88 I believe but it's really hard to tell since they have tweaked the formula a few times. It also lost the Ferrari approval at some point and that previous formula became the impossible-to-find Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5W-40. Still, I would believe it's at least 3.7.

https://solutions.shell.com/us/produ...W-40__001G9865

I emailed them sometime in 2020 so that was after the switch and when they switched to the new formulation that reduced lspi. So I think the 3.8 is still accurate.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by chris719

The last public PDS that listed HTHS said 3.88 I believe but it's really hard to tell since they have tweaked the formula a few times. It also lost the Ferrari approval at some point and that previous formula became the impossible-to-find Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5W-40. Still, I would believe it's at least 3.7.

https://solutions.shell.com/us/produ...W-40__001G9865

GTL yields higher HTHS. I would say 3.7-3.8 would be good guess. Ferrari doesn’t have actual approval. Shell was first fill in Ferrari/Maserati and it was marketing thing. Also, Shell had long history with Ferrari in F1. They are still working together in F1, and Shell Helix still has Ferrari logo. Why Pennzoil doesn’t is beyond me.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by edycol

GTL yields higher HTHS. I would say 3.7-3.8 would be good guess. Ferrari doesn’t have actual approval. Shell was first fill in Ferrari/Maserati and it was marketing thing. Also, Shell had long history with Ferrari in F1. They are still working together in F1, and Shell Helix still has Ferrari logo. Why Pennzoil doesn’t is beyond me.

Yeah no idea, they removed the reference from all PDFs and bottles for the normal product and the dealers now carry that PP Racing part number which has the same specs as one of the earlier SN+ PP Euro 5W-40s. Not terribly concerned about Ferrari's blessing but it's weird. Maybe Ferrari thinks American Ferrari owners don't want to see their oil in Walmart .

[MSH_]

Originally Posted by k_mann

Just sharing my blackstone report for referenc. Ravenol VST 5W40. Changed at the start of summer, 3 track days 5k miles

How long did it take you to get back your report once Blackstone received the sample? When I was sending in my samples for my Golf R early this year and in 2022 I would get the report back within 3 days of them receiving the sample. They have had this first sample I have done on my m2c I picked up in April for going on 2 weeks now with nothing.

[ericold]

Originally Posted by chris719

Whatever his opinion, it is not fact-based. M1 0W-40 is one of the top LL-01 approved oils in the world.

still he has the right of his opinion .and as learner myself i would like to hear all opinions and judge myself.i am not a fan of any brand.
but i guess our member isnt going to give any related answer

[k_mann]

Originally Posted by jefe2000

Huh, strange that the Blackstone oil analysis report lists the B58 engine. Is this report for an M2 or some other BMW?

Good catch! I’ll reach out and ask them why they listed b58. It’s an 18 m2 n55

[k_mann]

Originally Posted by MSH_

How long did it take you to get back your report once Blackstone received the sample? When I was sending in my samples for my Golf R early this year and in 2022 I would get the report back within 3 days of them receiving the sample. They have had this first sample I have done on my m2c I picked up in April for going on 2 weeks now with nothing.

I think it took 3-4 weeks

[MSH_]

Originally Posted by k_mann

I think it took 3-4 weeks

Thanks. my report showed up the day after my post so I guess I'm lucky...2 weeks to the day from when they received my sample

[ericold]

hey guys ,which 5-30,5-40 brands are not GTL based oils?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ericold

hey guys ,which 5-30,5-40 brands are not GTL based oils?

If I am not mistaken, only shell uses GTL technology - no one else advertises GTL and no one else really talks or even mentions about using GTL.


So pretty much any non shell oil should be non GTL.

[ericold]

isn't some oil synthesis yell for GTL even if they don't mention it?is it possible to read that from specs? os it could be some GTL and sonething else, with GTL together as a base oil synthesis. bcs not all of them advertise it like shell.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ericold

isn't some oil synthesis yell for GTL even if they don't mention it?is it possible to read that from specs? os it could be some GTL and sonething else, with GTL together as a base oil synthesis. bcs not all of them advertise it like shell.

The better question is why are you trying to avoid GTL?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ericold

isn't some oil synthesis yell for GTL even if they don't mention it?is it possible to read that from specs? os it could be some GTL and sonething else, with GTL together as a base oil synthesis. bcs not all of them advertise it like shell.

Mobil uses GTL bases in some products. Usually some mix of Group III, GTL, and PAO depending on the product. I don't think anyone other than Mobil or Shell/Pennzoil use it. Mobil uses it because they have some agreements with Shell. GTL sits between traditional Group III bases and PAO. It's almost as good as conventional PAO (Group IV). However, other Group III "III+" bases seem to be offering similar performance now.

Originally Posted by ericold

hey guys ,which 5-30,5-40 brands are not GTL based oils?

Motul X-Cess Gen 2 5W-40 is fully Yubase or some other decent quality Group III. Castrol Edge Euro 5W-40 probably similar. If you are base-oil obsessed then you want Ravenol VST 5W-40 since it's basically all PAO.

I think the Motul is on par with PP Euro, but I don't think the Castrol is as good. Avoiding GTL is not something I understand as being rational, though.

[ericold]

everybody has his preferences in oils.some like pao , others esters and so on. i am not a fan of some base oil .
i know all about GTL and shell/mobil /Infineum - company technology.
what matters is not knowledge and technology to drivers.what matters is final product and results.
as much as i like shell/mobil products, i use shell gas, and its oils that i have been using in my ex-italian cars,in this car ,funny you mention mobil too ,both mobil esp 5-30 and shell 5-30 oils have some consumption while other oils like motul and castrol don't.
so you drive me to the conclusion that avoiding them is very rational .

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ericold

everybody has his preferences in oils.some like pao , others esters and so on. i am not a fan of some base oil .
i know all about GTL and shell/mobil /Infineum - company technology.
what matters is not knowledge and technology to drivers.what matters is final product and results.
as much as i like shell/mobil products, i use shell gas, and its oils that i have been using in my ex-italian cars,in this car ,funny you mention mobil too ,both mobil esp 5-30 and shell 5-30 oils have some consumption while other oils like motul and castrol don't.
so you drive me to the conclusion that avoiding them is very rational .

No, acting on two pieces of random anecdotal evidence is not rational.

[Philly_sweden]

I bought Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL01/04 and only drive summertime like 1000km/620 miles per season. Right or wrong I dont know but Thats what the vendor recommended me.

[ericold]

Originally Posted by chris719

No, acting on two pieces of random anecdotal evidence is not rational.

i never said i used them once each. i used them 2 times each. 4 times already.what about 4 times ?2 times shell and 2 mobil. same results.is it random again?
how many times ought it be to not be anecdotal?

sometimes..some answers!!!

[chris719]

Originally Posted by ericold

i never said i used them once each. i used them 2 times each. 4 times already.what about 4 times ?2 times shell and 2 mobil. same results.is it random again?
how many times ought it be to not be anecdotal?

sometimes..some answers!!!

And you know this is because of GTL how? It's far more likely to do with the base oil viscosities that are in the formula and the particular VMs used. It may have nothing at all to do with GTL.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ericold

i never said i used them once each. i used them 2 times each. 4 times already.what about 4 times ?2 times shell and 2 mobil. same results.is it random again?
how many times ought it be to not be anecdotal?

sometimes..some answers!!!

That still isn't conclusive evidence to anything.

1) What weights were the motul oils?
2) What type of of shell oil was it exactly? Because not all shell oils are made equal.
3) What type of motul oil was it exactly?


You can't just use oil a few times, not understand the spec and just say it's crap because of oil consumption. Maybe the motul oil you used had higher viscosity, maybe the shell oil you used was a version with high NOACK and the motul wasn't. So you really can't draw a conclusion by saying you saw some consumption using 5w30 and that's that.