[bobert]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Consider something as simple as "Pringles potato chips ". It's easier to create 25 different flavors of the same chip than it is to create a whole new style of potato chip. Yes of course there is money spent developing each new flavor however the costs of production and packaging are nil because the company is simply using existing manufacturing processes.

Loved the Pringles analogy, except now I got a case of the munchies.

[AngryBaby]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Actually this is NOT correct.

BMW is producing multiple models from the same platform, which actually helps by allowing the development costs to be amortized across those many models.

It costs them less to create an additional model using an existing platform ( for example a 4 series gran coupe and a 3 series GT on the 3 series platform ) than it does to design and produce a new model from the ground up.


Consider something as simple as "Pringles potato chips ". It's easier to create 25 different flavors of the same chip than it is to create a whole new style of potato chip. Yes of course there is money spent developing each new flavor however the costs of production and packaging are nil because the company is simply using existing manufacturing processes.

It's exactly the reason that currently bmw builds multiple vehicles off multiple platforms.

The X1 and the Mini share platforms for example. It's very little additional development needed to make an X2 off the same platform.

If bmw needs to make say 20,000 of each item ( let's say an engine ) for the X1, producing another 10,000 of the same item for an X2 is a lot easier than designing a completely new item.

Regardless of the product, Production costs usually decrease with volume. If a motor costs $7k to develop each of 20,000 units, the unit cost per motor will be cheaper with 30,000 units made , and that allows you to produce each individual vehicle for LESS.

+1 for comparing Pringles to BMWs

[MZWIE]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

if i wanted an M3, i would have bought one already... my interest in the M2 vs M3 has nothing to do with financials. why would I want a bigger car with a fart exhaust? :

Of course you missed the point. Leave the M2 alone. No one needs an X2 or a four door M2. Those vehicles already exist in the BMW catalog.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by MZWIE

Of course you missed the point. Leave the M2 alone. No one needs an X2 or a four door M2. Those vehicles already exist in the BMW catalog.

U can tell others what kind of cars they want?!? Lol, u must be a BMW executive?
:: Either I missed your point, or the point was not worth getting
I love the M2, and will have one shortly. If they had a 4doorM2 in VERY similar proportions, i would probably buy two!! I despise all-wheel drive in a weekend car. I don't see an M2 4-door in the catalog. I guess I seriously missed the point.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

U can tell others what kind of cars they want?!? Lol, u must be a BMW executive?
:: Either I missed your point, or the point was not worth getting
I love the M2, and will have one shortly. If they had a 4doorM2 in VERY similar proportions, i would probably buy two!! I despise all-wheel drive in a weekend car. I don't see an M2 4-door in the catalog. I guess I seriously missed the point.

Lol @ MZWIE He does seem to think like a BMW EXEC.

Let's try simple word association.

M4 is to M2 as M3 is to ???

Please fill in the ??? Because the point here is that an M2 sedan , an M2 Gran coupe in 2010s BMW vernacular is what BMW should have in the lineup.

M3 Sedan competes with C SERIES
?? Competes with CLA ?

[stefan]

Why exactly do we need four doors in such small cars. Frankly the CLA and S3 are ridiculous. Way too small to need those comedic rear doors. The M4 is too big for a coupe but the M2 is too small for a sedan.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stefan

Why exactly do we need four doors in such small cars. Frankly the CLA and S3 are ridiculous. Way too small to need those comedic rear doors. The M4 is too big for a coupe but the M2 is too small for a sedan.

Whenever people are seated in the back of my M2 the worst part seems to be getting in and out rather than the space back there. Would be nice in those situations to have two more doors. Obviously if I needed two more door I would have bought something else, but I do feel bad for people contorting to get in and out of the back seat. I imagine that is a smoother process in the R/S3. Honestly I think the loooooooooooooong doors on something like an e92 M3 looks more comedic than the small doors on the R/S3.

[psuibmw]

Image what the numbers would be if it has proper M mirrors

[CommitConfirm]

I want an M5 Tourer

[bklounge]

Why do m2 sales continue to 'surprise'. The 1m was a hit, the m2 was a hit. This is what the enthusiasts want. Wake the f up bmw

[FCBayernFTW]

Originally Posted by akkando

Hmmm includes M performance models. I wonder how much of M sales is M Performance models? Slapping a badge, a tune, and a steering wheel on a BMW seems to move units!

It works for Audi and Merc. Why wouldn't BMW follow suit?

It generates funds for R&D for even better M-Cars down the road.

As far as the M2, it's the most attainable M-Car, why wouldn't it be the top seller?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bklounge

Why do m2 sales continue to 'surprise'. The 1m was a hit, the m2 was a hit. This is what the enthusiasts want. Wake the f up bmw

+1, the worst part is that BMW AG and NA themselves admits it has been a " surprise"

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

The M2 Sedan would be the perfect iteration of a car for me right now!!! Why OH Why don't they have this already?... It would spank RS3's all the way back to their mutter. I would buy 2... well maybe

I would love an M2 sedan, or better yet, GC.

But that might pull buyers away from the higher profit M3.

[SeanWRT]

M2 GC is a good idea. It's very likely to happen with G platform. But at current stage of F, they have other priorities.

[MZWIE]

Unfortunately BMW sold out with the 3 series. Originally it was the two door car. The 5 was 4 door and so on.

The 3 series should have never been offered in 4 doors. As soon as BMW started this then it has all been downhill.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I would love an M2 sedan, or better yet, GC.

But that might pull buyers away from the higher profit M3.

After the success of the 1997 and 1998 M3... that what BMW was afraid of with the E46.. hence the US market receiving ZHP only.

Then they just killed their compact sedan sales by making no four door 1 series or 2 series. and of all things. now that they are trying to grow in Asian markets . they want to finally make a 2 series sedan.. sometime in 2022 or something .

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by MZWIE

Unfortunately BMW sold out with the 3 series. Originally it was the two door car. The 5 was 4 door and so on.

The 3 series should have never been offered in 4 doors. As soon as BMW started this then it has all been downhill.

the 3 series has had 4 doors in every generation but E21 .. LOL. that's the only generation it was a 2 door only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series

Since then the next five generations E30, E36, E46, E90, F30.. have all included a 4 door model.

[goj]

Originally Posted by MZWIE

Unfortunately BMW sold out with the 3 series. Originally it was the two door car. The 5 was 4 door and so on.

The 3 series should have never been offered in 4 doors. As soon as BMW started this then it has all been downhill.

What?

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Arcanum-UK

A hatch would make more sense - at least for non-US markets. It's a glaring hole in the M line up that there's no equivalent to the RS3 hatch and AMG A-Class. The closest is the M140i.

The next hole in the M line up is the lack of an RS4 equivalent, ceding the entire fast-estate market to Audi.

Maybe in the US an M2 Sedan would sell better than a proper M 1-series and M3 estate, but I doubt it would do so well in UK/EU markets.

Of course, best of all would be to make all three!

Wrong

The biggest hole is no M wagon

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by stefan

Why exactly do we need four doors in such small cars. Frankly the CLA and S3 are ridiculous. Way too small to need those comedic rear doors. The M4 is too big for a coupe but the M2 is too small for a sedan.

some people dont want coupes and the convenience of having a rear door is huge if you plan to throw stuff on the back seat or move passengers around occasionaly?

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

some people dont want coupes and the convenience of having a rear door is huge if you plan to throw stuff on the back seat or move passengers around occasionaly?

I suppose so but entry into the M2 really isn't terrible and proportionally the car is perfect for two door. I'd know as I have a car seat in the back and it's actually easier for me to get my kid in and out than in my X1. Small doors sometimes aren't worth the extra creaks and the window frames and all that in a very small car. totally subjective opinion though.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

The M2 Sedan would be the perfect iteration of a car for me right now!!! Why OH Why don't they have this already?... It would spank RS3's all the way back to their mutter. I would buy 2... well maybe

Chances are it's because an M2 sedan would have been way to close to the M3 and would have stolen sales from it. Just like how there is no 2 serie Gran Coupe of this generation. And the supposed upcoming 2 series Gran Coupe is a FWD/AWD car.