[Jady Pham]

Dang, a man can't ask a question?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

Not worried at all about track use. As an ex-club racer and HPDE instructor for 15+ years,

And yet, you claim to not know how to handle switching back and forth between track pads and street pads?

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1247015

Can't say I know too many ex club racers or track rats that would overpay for "BMW Performance" pads, vs. getting real track pads on a full-weight street car. Let alone one that would opt for BMW's overpriced suspension on a track toy.

OK...sorry for being bit of an ass. You seem like a good guy.

I do love your taste in cars, across the board. Enjoy the new addition! When my wife finishes up residency/fellowship, I hope to develop a similar pedigree.

Now...off to CVS for those laxatives.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Jady Pham

Dang, a man can't ask a question?

Never!!!!!

[DrKevM5]

Well, seeing that I've always used a fully track prepared e46 M3 as my club racer and HPDE vehicle until selling it this fall, I've never had the need to wonder about swapping compounds. And there is something "sexy" about having a full factory warranty on an aftermarket suspension. But clearly looking at your extensive experience in modding cars you should be quite the expert in wise expenditures on worthy vehicles. I'm sure your X1 is killer. I do applaud your self characterization. I'm done playing in the mud. Cheers!

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

And there is something "sexy" about having a full factory warranty on an aftermarket suspension.

I guess we have different definitions of sexy.

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

I'm sure your X1 is killer

It's the wife's DD. I thought someone with an X4 M would appreciate a tuned 400 bhp X1 (closest thing BMW gave us to a 335 wagon/135 hatch at the time).

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

I do applaud your self characterization. I'm done playing in the mud. Cheers!

And here I was, trying to extend an olive branch. For a Dr. and an alleged 15 year HPDE instructor, you sure ask a lot of silly questions. But alas, I guess there are no such things. At least next time, try the right forum. Or maybe just ask your tech?

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by weyland

I think the biggest problem here is what settings will you run when you install it? No feedback to base it on and getting the ride height or compression wrong could mean you'll run the drive in your car, and ruin that new car experience.

No doubt the recommended BMW technician setup will not be that aggressive.

I'd go stock for a while and then change

BMW supplies a recommended setting and ride height. I hardly think they ruin the car on purpose.

More like a great start for most.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by metrickid

BMW supplies a recommended setting and ride height. I hardly think they ruin the car on purpose.

More like a great start for most.

And afterall, someone has to lead the way in experimenting/dialing it in, which is going to be somewhat track/driver dependent.

Not like a factory setup is going to be ideal if we're, far from it. Too many lawyers.

[Artemis]

Top Gear review of April 15, 2016:
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-...-vs-2002-turbo

"It certainly enlivens the various tunnels that stud the Malaga-to-Estepona motorway, although I’d hold off on one of the other options, the coil-over suspension that drops the ride height by close to an inch and offers 16 rebound and 12 compression settings. Turns out the regular M2 is plenty firm enough, to the extent that it’s finding bits of Spanish black-top to get jiggy with that even a worn-out hire car would sail serenely over.
Jigginess is a price worth paying, though. The M2 immediately feels like a car in which you can do very serious business indeed. The driving position is perfect, the wheel is the familiar fat-rimmed M job that some people grumble about but I personally love, and there’s Alcantara and stitching and a general, overwhelming sense of M-ness."

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Destroya

A Major should not argue with a Lieutenant Colonel.

Hello.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Top Gear review of April 15, 2016:
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-...-vs-2002-turbo

"It certainly enlivens the various tunnels that stud the Malaga-to-Estepona motorway, although I’d hold off on one of the other options, the coil-over suspension that drops the ride height by close to an inch and offers 16 rebound and 12 compression settings. Turns out the regular M2 is plenty firm enough, to the extent that it’s finding bits of Spanish black-top to get jiggy with that even a worn-out hire car would sail serenely over.
Jigginess is a price worth paying, though. The M2 immediately feels like a car in which you can do very serious business indeed. The driving position is perfect, the wheel is the familiar fat-rimmed M job that some people grumble about but I personally love, and there’s Alcantara and stitching and a general, overwhelming sense of M-ness."

Meh. Who knows how the coilovers were set up and who knows how old the suspension was (it takes a few hundred miles to break in). Since they are adjustable, you can adjust them to your liking / needs.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by swagon

Meh. Who knows how the coilovers were set up and who knows how old the suspension was (it takes a few hundred miles to break in). Since they are adjustable, you can adjust them to your liking / needs.

And coilovers are not for everyone. Its not like I expect them to have better comfort than stock suspension.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by weyland

I think the biggest problem here is what settings will you run when you install it? No feedback to base it on and getting the ride height or compression wrong could mean you'll run the drive in your car, and ruin that new car experience.

No doubt the recommended BMW technician setup will not be that aggressive.

I'd go stock for a while and then change

The BMW service will most likely set it to BMW/KW's recommended settings and then after you cover some miles, you'd change it based on your own feedback. Suspension comfort / ride is subjective... As is almost everything, heh.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by metrickid

And coilovers are not for everyone. Its not like I expect them to have better comfort than stock suspension.

Well, of course they are not for everyone. They have improved the suspension in my car a lot, but we all know how crappy these cars (E9x) ride in stock form.

In my opinion, a quality adjustable coilover system is better than just some aftermarket sport springs. If you're going to do it, do it right.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by swagon

Well, of course they are not for everyone. They have improved the suspension in my car a lot, but we all know how crappy these cars (E9x) ride in stock form.

In my opinion, a quality adjustable coilover system is better than just some aftermarket sport springs. If you're going to do it, do it right.

Exactly, I would never do springs even if I'm just driving on the road.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by metrickid

Exactly, I would never do springs even if I'm just driving on the road.

I remember, when the new M3 came out, that the early adopters were changing the stock ones to H&R F32 springs. I'll never understand that just for the sake of modifying someone would ruin their "ultimate driving machine."

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by swagon

Well, of course they are not for everyone. They have improved the suspension in my car a lot, but we all know how crappy these cars (E9x) ride in stock form.

In my opinion, a quality adjustable coilover system is better than just some aftermarket sport springs. If you're going to do it, do it right.

Swag.On.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

I guess we have different definitions of sexy.



It's the wife's DD. I thought someone with an X4 M would appreciate a tuned 400 bhp X1 (closest thing BMW gave us to a 335 wagon/135 hatch at the time).






And here I was, trying to extend an olive branch. For a Dr. and an alleged 15 year HPDE instructor, you sure ask a lot of silly questions. But alas, I guess there are no such things. At least next time, try the right forum. Or maybe just ask your tech?

I had an x1 35i (last gen) as a loaner one time when I was getting my 1M serviced. That car was waaaaay more fun than any of the 3 series loaners I had. It handled better, was faster and actually more car like than about 80% of the bloated stuff BMW sells. I loved it.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by swagon

Meh. Who knows how the coilovers were set up and who knows how old the suspension was (it takes a few hundred miles to break in). Since they are adjustable, you can adjust them to your liking / needs.

Except if mistaken, the car tested by the TG journalist featured the stock suspension, thus without M Performance coilovers. The journalist merely pointed out that "the regular M2 is plenty firm enough" and hence "I’d hold off on one of the other options, the coil-over suspension".

We do know from the Laguna Seca test sessions that BMW prep'ed the test cars with the M Performance brake pads (its squealing can be heard in several videos). But no word about M Performance coilovers.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Except if mistaken, the car tested by the TG journalist featured the stock suspension, thus without M Performance coilovers. The journalist merely pointed out that "the regular M2 is plenty firm enough" and hence "I’d hold off on one of the other options, the coil-over suspension".

We do know from the Laguna Seca test sessions that BMW prep'ed the test cars with the M Performance brake pads (its squealing can be heard in several videos). But no word about M Performance coilovers.

Could be.

Rule numerouno: Do not 100% trust what journalists say.

[confusion]

Sadly, not gonna be in my future.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by confusion

Sadly, not gonna be in my future.

A Cayman GT4 would also not enter (at least not without scraping or ripping apart the underside of the front bumper).

For your info: ground clearance (from higher to lower):

• BMW M2 = 123mm or 4.84in (source: here)
• BMW 1M/M3/M4 = 120mm or 4.72in (sources: here, here and here)
• Cayman GTS = 112mm or 4.41in (ramp angle: 11.3° | approach angle: 9.2° front and 14.4° rear) (sources: here and here)
• Cayman GT4 = 105mm or 4.13in (ramp angle: 10.2° | approach angle: 6.0° front and 13.3° rear) (sources: here and here)

And also forget about the M Performance front blades / winglets (if considered).

[swagon]

Originally Posted by confusion

Sadly, not gonna be in my future.

1. Start planning a driveway rebuild
2. Approach at an agle until the rebuild is finished
3. Rebuild day
4. Install M Performance coilovers
5. Lower the car
6. Profit???

From the first picture, it does not look that bad. Our driveway looks to be steeper and I do not scrape even when going straight (99% sure muh ride height is lower than yours.)