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      11-04-2015, 11:01 PM   #199
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Suspension is a must then. Exhaust might be depending on price compared to Akrapovic.

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Totally agree with you on those points! Also getting the trunk CF lip, and, (a big), maybe the CF air winglets, or what they are called. And most likely the steering wheel. I saw that on the optional steering wheel, there are the "M1" and "M2" buttons, I have not seen those on the original wheel!? Or have I just missed them??
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Totally agree with you on those points! Also getting the trunk CF lip, and, (a big), maybe the CF air winglets, or what they are called. And most likely the steering wheel. I saw that on the optional steering wheel, there are the "M1" and "M2" buttons, I have not seen those on the original wheel!? Or have I just missed them??
M3/4 only on the buttons. You move your existing hardware over from your standard steering wheel.

I'll probably get all the CF parts in and out. I'm not sure about the winglets either but let's wait and see the final product before killing them with fire.
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M3/4 only on the buttons. You move your existing hardware over from your standard steering wheel.

I'll probably get all the CF parts in and out. I'm not sure about the winglets either but let's wait and see the final product before killing them with fire.
Roger that...Then I'm not so sure I'll get the steering wheel, don't really think it's a lot different from the original, and the original is a very nice one. What CF interior parts you mean you'll get? The only thing that don't comes standard is the hand break and gearshift nob I think? Is this what you getting you mean?
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Roger that...Then I'm not so sure I'll get the steering wheel, don't really think it's a lot different from the original, and the original is a very nice one. What CF interior parts you mean you'll get? The only thing that don't comes standard is the hand break and gearshift nob I think? Is this what you getting you mean?
Yes, the gear shifter and handbrake completes the interior in my opinion. And by adding the steering wheel you'll also get some more CF there.
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Yes, the gear shifter and handbrake completes the interior in my opinion. And by adding the steering wheel you'll also get some more CF there.
Yea, I see what you mean....And most likely I'll get that as well. Not so sure on the steering wheel thou. I think the original is very good, and the reason I thought about changing was because of the "M" buttons, but as previously discussed, they are just for show on the M2. So not to sure I'll get that just for the CF, as it more or less the same as the original except the CF.
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Yes, the gear shifter and handbrake completes the interior in my opinion. And by adding the steering wheel you'll also get some more CF there.
Yea, I see what you mean....And most likely I'll get that as well. Not so sure on the steering wheel thou. I think the original is very good, and the reason I thought about changing was because of the "M" buttons, but as previously discussed, they are just for show on the M2. So not to sure I'll get that just for the CF, as it more or less the same as the original except the CF.
It also has alcantara hand grips, the blue center stripe and a slightly flattened bottom.
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Do they only have a dark carbon fiber?!?! So If I get the steering wheel only, it won't match the other CF in the car? If thats the case, this part strategy is totally bogus.
From BMW Blog interview w/ BMW Reps:

"Q: Will the M2 get a Performance steering wheel? Will it be the same as the M4?

A: Yes, but the carbon fiber is adapted to the interior of the M2, dry carbon, which is the same trim finisher as in the stock M2."
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Found this about dry Carbon

Dry Carbon Fiber

A limited number of GruppeM RAMair intakes, along with certain GruppeM AEROdynamics kits, are also available in “dry” carbon fiber. The limited production of dry carbon fiber, which appears “dry” on the surface when compared to “wet” carbon fiber, is due to the near zero-tolerance manufacturing process required for the ultimate carbon fiber composite which is equal in strength, and substantially lighter, than wet carbon fiber.

The manufacturing process to achieve an ideal dry carbon fiber performance product requires the carbon fiber weave to be “preimpregnated” with the ideal amount of graphite epoxy prior to the molding and curing processes. This differs from the wet carbon fiber process in which the epoxy is applied to the weave continually until the appropriate amount of surface area coverage and thickness is achieved to meet the strength and consistency requirements of the product design. The resulting product is so much lighter than wet carbon fiber because there is absolutely no excess epoxy, which accounts for the “dry” appearance of the finished dry carbon fiber component.
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Are the gauges silver/grey or was that a flash reflection? Different from the M235?
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Found this about dry Carbon

Dry Carbon Fiber

A limited number of GruppeM RAMair intakes, along with certain GruppeM AEROdynamics kits, are also available in “dry” carbon fiber. The limited production of dry carbon fiber, which appears “dry” on the surface when compared to “wet” carbon fiber, is due to the near zero-tolerance manufacturing process required for the ultimate carbon fiber composite which is equal in strength, and substantially lighter, than wet carbon fiber.

The manufacturing process to achieve an ideal dry carbon fiber performance product requires the carbon fiber weave to be “preimpregnated” with the ideal amount of graphite epoxy prior to the molding and curing processes. This differs from the wet carbon fiber process in which the epoxy is applied to the weave continually until the appropriate amount of surface area coverage and thickness is achieved to meet the strength and consistency requirements of the product design. The resulting product is so much lighter than wet carbon fiber because there is absolutely no excess epoxy, which accounts for the “dry” appearance of the finished dry carbon fiber component.
If they are using RTM or resin transfer molding, which they use for the I3 and I8, I believe, the finish and weight is going to be top notch.
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What I dont get is why they would need to offer some aftermarket suspension when an M-car is already supposed to have an upgraded state of the art suspension.. ?? And I suspect it's going to cost as much if not more than a Ohlin set-up.. and we all know which one is the better quality in the real world
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Are there good places to get OEM stuff for more reasonable prices? Do dealers ever throw in a parts credit? How about BMW CCA? Do they offer any discount?
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Another interview with BMW reps about M2 Performance Parts surfaced on the interwebs today:
Interview with BMW Representatives about M2 Performance Parts

At the SEMA auto show, we saw many new M Performance parts available for many new BMWs. To discuss these new upgrades, we recently sat down with Stefan Weiss, the Product Manager for M Performance Parts, Jake Mooney Accessory Specialist for Exterior, M Performance and Motorsport to talk about M Performance Parts for the BMW M2.
  • What are the technical specs on the M2 exhaust system ?
    The material is going to be stainless steel and you will be able to choose between carbon fiber tips and titanium tips. But the construction will be stainless steel for cost reasons. The tips will also be interchangeable between M3 and M4 exhaust systems. There will be no power gains with an axle-back exhaust because the turbocharged engine will compensate to create the same amount of torque. It would be different with a naturally-aspirated engine, but not with the turbocharged engine.
  • Details on the M2 suspension ?
    There will be the ability to lower the suspension from 5mm to 25mm and it will come with recommendations from BMW for track use and for road use. The plan for next year is to have BMW’s development driver test on various tracks, like Watkins Glenn and Road Atlanta, to give exact recommendations for each track.
    We are also working on corrosion resistance and use non-touching springs so that the corrosion protections stays intact. We also use side load springs to increase durability and prolong the life of the shocks. The springs and shocks will also come with a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty which is longer than anything you’ll get from aftermarket manufacturers.
  • Any power kit planed for the M2 ?
    No. In general, with M cars, no. We did add the competition package to the M5 and M6, but those are the outliers. Generally, we don’t add power kits to M cars.
  • Are the front bumper winglets and rear wheel winglets functional ?
    The front ones, yes, and the rear ones add downforce and stability, but it’s marginal. In general, we’re not going to create air elements that will upset the balance of the car. They’re all functional in some respect, which is why we’ll say that you can only pair a front splitter with the rear spoiler so you don’t upset the balance of the car. There’s no purely cosmetic aero element on an M vehicle. They all serve a purpose, some more than others.
  • You mentioned a front splitter, will one to be offered on the M2 ?
    No. At the moment, there are no plans for a front splitter.
  • Will the performance stripes be an option ?
    Yes, they’ll be an option.
  • Will there be a brake package available for the M2 ?
    No. Not yet planned.
  • Will M Performance seats be available for the M2 ?
    We have no plans. In general, from the feedback on the market, we would only sell a few. The customer is better off going and buying Recaro, especially if they’re moving safety systems, like seatbelts.
  • Will the M2 get a Performance steering wheel? Will it be the same as the M4 ?
    Yes, but the carbon fiber is adapted to the interior of the M2, dry carbon, which is the same trim finisher as in the stock M2.
  • Any plans for the steering wheel with LEDs ?
    No specific plans for the M2, but the M3 and M4 LED light steering wheel should fit on the M2.
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What I dont get is why they would need to offer some aftermarket suspension when an M-car is already supposed to have an upgraded state of the art suspension.. ?? And I suspect it's going to cost as much if not more than a Ohlin set-up.. and we all know which one is the better quality in the real world
These are not track cars. They are compromised for street use. The M2 is not the M235i Racing. What would be crazy is if they suddenly started offering M Performance parts for THAT car. Why would they offer an adjustable suspension system, which is more expensive than what they offer standard, if only a small percentage of people will use it? If I buy an M2, it's going to be a daily driver. Trust me, I won't be jacking my car up after work so I can lift the car for my ride home - 'cause obvs I'm gonna drop it when I GET to work so I can pimp out, brah. :P no...
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I'm very glad the M Performance suspension is an option for the M2.

With a slight drop the M2 will look killer.

Add it to the items on my list to purchase!
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What I dont get is why they would need to offer some aftermarket suspension when an M-car is already supposed to have an upgraded state of the art suspension.. ?? And I suspect it's going to cost as much if not more than a Ohlin set-up.. and we all know which one is the better quality in the real world
It's called business and making money. Lots of money in the aftermarket.
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Options are exactly that, options for the buyer to choose (and pay for). Ever option out a Porsche online? You can build a $130k Macan
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If BMW is all about the money, they leave a lot on the table. AGAIN, study the Porsche playbook.
The BMW approach:
  • you pay us full price for the car
  • you want that particular performance part ?
    1. you pay us extra
    2. your dealer is prepared to fit the performance part and you pay for that service
    3. you can keep the OEM BMW stock part (you paid for it, you can retrofit it onto your car or sell it)
The Porsche approach:
  • you pay us full price for the car
  • you want that particular performance part ?
    1. you pay us extra
    2. we fit the performance part at the factory
    3. we keep the OEM Porsche stock part at our factory (thank you for the donation, we will gladly install it onto another Porsche car with the customer paying us full price)
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