[TMP]

Originally Posted by WAY

TMP, that's what have been discussed in other threads. If you want a bit more certainty, ask those with a 1/2 series without adaptive dampers. Do this screen still look the same for them?

No, if you don't have adaptive dampers, you do not get this screen. it does seem strange...

[WAY]

Originally Posted by TMP

No, if you don't have adaptive dampers, you do not get this screen. it does seem strange...

Hmmm that certainly adds to the mystery. maybe we should move this discussion to the thread someone started specifically to discuss this.

[philisme]

I'm going there on Monday 18th specifically for the new M2.

If you want some specific info/picture, just ask !

[B-1Pilot]

sat in the M2 today at Brussels. I think it is going to make a lot of people happy, but sadly it is not the next M car for me.

I really wanted to like it, and there are some amazing features of it, but I just dont like the way it looks at certain angles (the front end intakes, the rear vertical reflectors), and the interior is marginally better than an M235. At the end of the day, if I dont like looking at the car every day I will regret buying it.

Before everyone gets there torches and pitchforks, there are some thing I did like
The stance of the car and the rear wheel fairing are particularly nice...
The size of the car is just right -- sitting in the cockpit felt just right... my 3 series and M5 both seem way too big in comparison.
The incorporation of the M3/4 parts and quality underneath the car and in the engine compartment is perfect -- M division did not skimp here, and ultimately that is what matters -- if you are going to save money somewhere the interior and limiting cosmetic options is ultimately the right choice. We already know where the performance is going to be and I was nenver in doubt of BMW on this.

Finally, I really wish it had a HUD.

FWIW, I sat in it, the M4, the M4GTS, and then the P-car Cayman black series, and then back the the M2 again... all of these cars (minus the M4GTS) are on my shortlist for next vehicle. After comparing them in person and in detail a Porsche Cayman GTS is topping my list followed by a Individual M4 CP.

Just my $.02. After reading pages on here, lots of you are going to be very happy. But if you are on the fence, go see before you order.

[Pol]

Originally Posted by B-1Pilot

After reading pages on here, lots of you are going to be very happy. But if you are on the fence, go see before you order.

[buumer]

Saw the M2 in Detroit and previously owned the m235i. Overall, the car is most certainly an improvement in design over the 235. The rear was the weakest point on my car and this adds a very definitive, musculine tone. The front fenders are meaner, but it's difficult to say how they jive with the front aero. Probably more of an acquired taste and I think the 235 had a cleaner execution.

The interior is very similar to the 235, but it is nice to see the DCT in the center console. The details like the stitching are nice, but they would likely get lost in day to day use.

Having said that, there was a sakhir orange M3 right in front of the M2, and that was one beautiful car. The rear fenders on the M3 were more pronounced and worked really well with the whole body of the car. In fact, there wasn't a bad angle on that M3.

Which leads me to the big takeaway, in isolation, an M2 is a great car and a slight overall improvement over the m235i. But next to the M3, it falls significantly short in looks and interior pizazz. Certainly would have had me tempted had I not had the 235, but I think the M3 remains the BMW to which one aspires. just my 2 cents.

[Spook410]

In the US an M2 costs less than a similarly equipped 235.

If someone prefers a car that costs $10K - $20K more, should they be surprised? If they looked in the $75K - $100K range they would like those choices even more.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Spook410

In the US an M2 costs less than a similarly equipped 235.

If someone prefers a car that costs $10K - $20K more, should they be surprised? If they looked in the $75K - $100K range they would like those choices even more.

It is interesting to say the least how wide the budget range is for many buyers, if they are considering the M2 at 50k vs a Cayman GTS/M4 individual.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by buumer

....

Which leads me to the big takeaway, in isolation, an M2 is a great car and a slight overall improvement over the m235i. But next to the M3, it falls significantly short in looks and interior pizazz. Certainly would have had me tempted had I not had the 235, but I think the M3 remains the BMW to which one aspires. just my 2 cents.

Of course this is the case!!

It also comes with a big price increase ($30,000+ in Canada similarly equipped). If someone doesn't care about money then the only real reason to buy an M2 over an M3/4 is size... that's not really a surprise.

[buumer]

Originally Posted by Spook410

In the US an M2 costs less than a similarly equipped 235.

If someone prefers a car that costs $10K - $20K more, should they be surprised? If they looked in the $75K - $100K range they would like those choices even more.

The thing is, it's 10k of cars that are already in the mid 50s to start with. I won't judge anyone's financial situation, but if you're looking at an M2, the base M3 is really not that big of a swing upwards. If the primary reason you're skipping the M3 is the price, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to reconsider purchasing a new 53k vehicle.

Many here save up money for these cars and waiting a little longer might just get you a better car. Again, I drooled over the 235 when it came out and an M2 is a better car. Would I pay over 13k more for it(my discounted 235 vs MSRP of the M2)? Unlikely, unless I was just really craving that M badge.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by buumer

The thing is, it's 10k of cars that are already in the mid 50s to start with. I won't judge anyone's financial situation, but if you're looking at an M2, the base M3 is really not that big of a swing upwards. If the primary reason you're skipping the M3 is the price, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to reconsider purchasing a new 53k vehicle.

Many here save up money for these cars and waiting a little longer might just get you a better car. Again, I drooled over the 235 when it came out and an M2 is a better car. Would I pay over 13k more for it(my discounted 235 vs MSRP of the M2)? Unlikely, unless I was just really craving that M badge.

But for the $10k extra you are just getting a stripper M3?
You need to add $15k or so to get it where you want and then we have a difference of $25k (or 50% more).

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by metrickid

But for the $10k extra you are just getting a stripper M3?
You need to add $15k or so to get it where you want and then we have a difference of $25k (or 50% more).

Valid point.

If you want to compare M2 pricing, then do yourself a favor and first spec the other car as close as practically possible as the M2 specs. And still: often apples and oranges.

[buumer]

Originally Posted by metrickid

But for the $10k extra you are just getting a stripper M3?
You need to add $15k or so to get it where you want and then we have a difference of $25k (or 50% more).

I'm not sure where the 25k difference comes from? Similarly equipped, they are 10-13k apart in the US, before taking into consideration the discounts on the M3. You can load an M3 with options, but those aren't even available on the M2.

[MR.]

In Europe the difference between a M4 and a M2 was around 15K-20K EUR excl VAT. My main concern with the M4 is that I simply hate the damn thing after having one for three months.

If I want a tail happy muscle car, I will buy something else. The M4 feels big and massive... It is just not my car. I want something smaller and more nimble.

It is not all about the money here,it is about what you like and what to see in a car. And for the money of a M4, I would get a GT4 (if you can find one at a decent price of course) or a GT-R.

MR

[Pol]

M2 = best value/money

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by MR.

In Europe the difference between a M4 and a M2 was around 15K-20K EUR excl VAT.

Originally Posted by Pol

M2 = best value/money

It's not as simple as that. Not all countries have such large differences. In fact, if you negotiate a good deal in the UK, the M3/M4 is actually CHEAPER than the M2 to buy. There is support available from BMW Financial Services, you get £3,000 towards your deposit, 15% discount on the M3/M4 from the dealer, and the finance rates are lower.

Understandably there are zero discounts available on the M2.

My M4, if I chose that route, would be highly specced (HUD, full leather, M DCT), and would be cheaper for me than the M2. I'm relying on solid residuals on the M2 to make the latter cheaper in the long run.

[Pol]

Originally Posted by mofomat

It's not as simple as that. Not all countries have such large differences. In fact, if you negotiate a good deal in the UK, the M3/M4 is actually CHEAPER than the M2 to buy. There is support available from BMW Financial Services, you get £3,000 towards your deposit, 15% discount on the M3/M4 from the dealer, and the finance rates are lower.

Understandably there are zero discounts available on the M2.

My M4, if I chose that route, would be highly specced (HUD, full leather, M DCT), and would be cheaper for me than the M2. I'm relying on solid residuals on the M2 to make the latter cheaper in the long run.

Correct..., I forgot to mention "in our country".
My M2 : 69.859, options included and incl. VAT
New M4 with same options : 92.775 incl. VAT

[MR.]

In NL a nicely specced M4 is 115K to 120K, and a M2 is 82K. (Including tax)

In CZ I got my M2 for 48,5K EUR (excl tax) and a M4 I specced for 67K (excl tax). Both with 10% discount.

MR

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Pol

Correct..., I forgot to mention "in our country".
My M2 : 69.859, options included and incl. VAT
New M4 with same options : 92.775 incl. VAT

Originally Posted by MR.

In NL a nicely specced M4 is 115K to 120K, and a M2 is 82K. (Including tax)

In CZ I got my M2 for 48,5K EUR (excl tax) and a M4 I specced for 67K (excl tax). Both with 10% discount.

MR

I'm entitled to buy BMWs via their diplomatic sales channels. Even so, the discounts available in the UK via regular dealers a far better than buying a BMW for a diplomatic price in Euros.

Pol, you list the standard retail prices there, but the same list price differences exist in the UK. The thing is, huge discounts are available day in, day out for the M3/M4, so in reality the price difference with the M2 just isn't there.

What discounts are available in Belgium and the Netherlands? Do dealers not discount and offer financial incentives?

[MR.]

Originally Posted by mofomat

I'm entitled to buy BMWs via their diplomatic sales channels. Even so, the discounts available in the UK via regular dealers a far better than buying a BMW for a diplomatic price in Euros.

Pol, you list the standard retail prices there, but the same list price differences exist in the UK. The thing is, huge discounts are available day in, day out for the M3/M4, so in reality the price difference with the M2 just isn't there.

What discounts are available in Belgium and the Netherlands? Do dealers not discount and offer financial incentives?

No discounts in NL, simply because the NET price is really low. This is mainly because of the high tax on the car.

MR

[Pol]

Originally Posted by mofomat

I'm entitled to buy BMWs via their diplomatic sales channels. Even so, the discounts available in the UK via regular dealers a far better than buying a BMW for a diplomatic price in Euros.

Pol, you list the standard retail prices there, but the same list price differences exist in the UK. The thing is, huge discounts are available day in, day out for the M3/M4, so in reality the price difference with the M2 just isn't there.

What discounts are available in Belgium and the Netherlands? Do dealers not discount and offer financial incentives?

Discount here depends a bit on your relationship with the dealer. As a faithful customer you can demand more than a passer-by. In my case I could rely on 8.3% including options.
VAT = 21%

[///M-pressed]

I'm confused at people that are expecting so much from a car when it was obviously built to a budget and not to step on the M3/M4s toes so to speak.

The fact of the matter is this. The price of the car and for what you get is second to none. The M2 I have ordered is 100k driveway in Australia, and a friend of mine who bought an M4 paid 183k driveway (DCT transmission).

Do I expect the M2 to be just as good as the M3/M4? Hell no, it's not the same car but then look at the difference in price. Why would BMW make an M2 just as good as an M3/M4 but for a lot less money? No one would ever buy an M3/M4 anymore.

Each to their own, but the way the M2 looks doesn't bother so me so much when I am sitting there grinning from ear to ear because of how it drives.