[RLBB]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They investigated it as they do on every business case, which is why we are getting the X1 M Performance using the same conceptual idea of a 300 PS + 4 Cylinder.

Oh an all. I don't ask to be considered to be the Messiah as some has portrayed me to be. I am not even a naughty boy!
I have repeatedly made my points clear on certain matters which you can find listed in this thread. Let this be the end of such unneeded discussion or I will smite thee by asking my bosses to introduce the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer to the US or even better put forward a case for the Active Tourer M.

They could have never made an M2 with 4 cyl considering the M235i was a six-cyl. With the X1, they have no choice. An M2 with the four-cyl sound, super tuned to 365 hp....never. I can tell you for sure, not based on speculations, that it was never considered.

[Reedomn]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They investigated it as they do on every business case, which is why we are getting the X1 M Performance using the same conceptual idea of a 300 PS + 4 Cylinder.

Oh an all. I don't ask to be considered to be the Messiah as some has portrayed me to be. I am not even a naughty boy!
I have repeatedly made my points clear on certain matters which you can find listed in this thread. Let this be the end of such unneeded discussion or I will smite thee by asking my bosses to introduce the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer to the US or even better put forward a case for the Active Tourer M.

So there!!!

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They investigated it as they do on every business case, which is why we are getting the X1 M Performance using the same conceptual idea of a 300 PS + 4 Cylinder.

Oh an all. I don't ask to be considered to be the Messiah as some has portrayed me to be. I am not even a naughty boy!
I have repeatedly made my points clear on certain matters which you can find listed in this thread. Let this be the end of such unneeded discussion or I will smite thee by asking my bosses to introduce the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer to the US or even better put forward a case for the Active Tourer M.

Scott- Shut up your critics and tell us something we don't know about the M2?!?!? I'll be happy to refer to you as the Messiah if that's what it takes.

[hyperzulu]

Insider wars!

The winner is whoever leaks a full production pic of the m2.

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Insider wars!

The winner is whoever leaks a full production pic of the m2.

Yes!!!!!!

[sgrinavi]

Why would you attack another forum member like that? GTFO

[RLBB]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

Why would you attack another forum member like that? GTFO

Wasn't an attack, just stating some facts.

All good, will refrain from any other comments.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Let this be the end of such unneeded discussion or I will smite thee by asking my bosses to introduce the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer to the US or even better put forward a case for the Active Tourer M.

Being a good sport is also a quality trait in PR.

Holy Scott26 of BMW Land, the ///Messiah, LOL.

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

Are you suggesting that is SCOTT26 on the picture?

If not referring to the i8 in the background, let's agree that it's not Sabine26.

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

The winner is whoever leaks a full production pic of the m2.

Hm, better not. The BMW vengeance can be pretty fierce:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

No. Cameras are not allowed and that also goes for phones.
The last high profile leak was at an early presentation for the E63 and E64 6er. A US dealer photographed the two and put them on line or sent them to a magazine. Management at that time went ballistic. Completely Bat-shit crazy and they lost their franchise, I think they now sell Korean. Hyundai or Kia.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by RLBB

They could have never made an M2 with 4 cyl considering the M235i was a six-cyl. With the X1, they have no choice. An M2 with the four-cyl sound, super tuned to 365 hp....never. I can tell you for sure, not based on speculations, that it was never considered.

Do you mean, like they made an E30 M3 with a 4 cylinder when they had an E30 325is with a 6 cylinder ?

that being the case.. I would love to hear how you are 100 percent sure that a 4 cylinder was NEVER considered..


I can think of a lot of reasons that they could indeed have offered a 4 cylinder.

- The #1 competitor in the Cayman will have a 4 cylinder......
- a Twin Turbo S20 or S48 motor that is designed off the S55 would be badass and have that " S" motor panache
- A 4 cylinder twin turbo motor S motor would absolutely be a higher revving motor than the N55B30. The S14 in the E30 M3 went to 7200 rpm stock... and most owners chipped their cars to 7600 (Dinan) or 7800 rpm (Conforti/TMS). I ran my car with an 8k rpm limit as a bored and stroked 2.5 liter and many of the rally cars ran with a 8500-9K rev limit.
- while a 4 Cylinder motor is not something that Joe average 2010s BMW fan wants... Guess what.... BMW makes a helluva 4 cylinder.. and it wouldn't take long for this to be RE-discovered.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RLBB

They could have never made an M2 with 4 cyl considering the M235i was a six-cyl. With the X1, they have no choice. An M2 with the four-cyl sound, super tuned to 365 hp....never. I can tell you for sure, not based on speculations, that it was never considered.

As I posted before, it wouldn't surprise me that the M2 CSL might be a track-focused 4-banger, somewhere in the ± 3100 lbs / ± 1400 kg zone, stripped to the very essence, two-seater (roll cage), sports seats, extensive use of CF and CFRP and a price-tag deep within, or even beyond, M3/M4 territory. But street legal (unlike the M235i Racing).

The mad brother of the base M2 + marketing picturing it next to notorious M3 4-bangers of decades ago, accompanied by "///M Pure" or "///M Hardcore" slogans.

BMW did evaluate 4 cylinders for application in the M2. There is a 4-cyl with Power eDrive and eBoost which can produce around 450 PS. Go figure !

If the M2 CSL goes 4-cyl, we're bound to get a never-ending discussion too, loaded with 6-cyl nostalgia, with reference to core values and alleged ///M treason, etc.

But then again, the next gen Porsche 2-seater models Boxster and Cayman go turbo 4-banger. Less weight, improved handling/braking, improved fuel consumption figures, less CO2 emissions.

Car sound ain't a trivial aspect, that much is true. As a matter of fact, I like some mean grunt too. But it won't be the most defining aspect to assess the car - it's part of the big(ger) package. The way how the car drives/handles and how it's experienced by those on board, matters more.

Cherish the past - Embrace the future.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Artemis

As I posted before, it wouldn't surprise me that the M2 CSL might be a track-focused 4-banger, somewhere in the ± 3100 lbs / ± 1400 kg zone, stripped to the very essence, two-seater (roll cage), sports seats, extensive use of CF and CFRP and a price-tag deep within, or even beyond, M3/M4 territory. But street legal (unlike the M235i Racing).

The mad brother of the base M2 + marketing picturing it next to notorious M3 4-bangers of decades ago, accompanied by "///M Pure" or "///M Hardcore" slogans.

BMW did evaluate 4 cylinders for application in the M2. There is a 4-cyl with Power eDrive and eBoost which can produce around 450 PS. Go figure !

If the M2 CSL goes 4-cyl, we're bound to get a never-ending discussion too, loaded with 6-cyl nostalgia, with reference to core values and alleged ///M treason, etc.

But then again, the next gen Porsche 2-seater models Boxster and Cayman go turbo 4-banger. Less weight, improved handling/braking, improved fuel consumption figures, less CO2 emissions.

Car sound ain't a trivial aspect, that much is true. As a matter of fact, I like some mean grunt too. But it won't be the most defining aspect to assess the car - it's part of the big(ger) package. The way how the car drives/handles and how it's experienced by those on board, matters more.

Cherish the past - Embrace the future.

How would you know they tested a 4 pot? Or that there is a 4 pot with eDrive that can produce 450hp? Just curious

With all due respect to the OP, I swear the M2 forum needs its own Off-Topic subforum. This has absolutely nothing to do with the base M2 that we're all waiting to see. Craziness

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by RLBB

Development for M2 started really about 18 months ago.

This is simply not true, and it should be obvious even to those who are not BMW insiders.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They investigated it as they do on every business case, which is why we are getting the X1 M Performance using the same conceptual idea of a 300 PS + 4 Cylinder.

no doubt.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Let this be the end of such unneeded discussion or I will smite thee by asking my bosses to introduce the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer to the US or even better put forward a case for the Active Tourer M.

Originally Posted by RLBB

Wasn't an attack, just stating some facts.

All good, will refrain from any other comments.

ok.. but you should back up your statements with something better than this.. no one said you had to take your ball and go home...

[ynguldyn]

Still, if G21 doesn't reach our shores, I will place the blame squarely on Scott. Because it's obvious that he is that person who makes all the decisions on what BMW will or will not sell in the U.S.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by W///

How would you know they tested a 4 pot? Or that there is a 4 pot with eDrive that can produce 450hp? Just curious
With all due respect to the OP, I swear the M2 forum needs its own Off-Topic subforum. This has absolutely nothing to do with the base M2 that we're all waiting to see. Craziness

Here you go (and that's right on topic):

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They did evaluate 4 cylinders for application in the M2.
We have a four cylinder with Power eDrive and eBoost which can produce around 450 PS.

See also:
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=73

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by W///

How would you know they tested a 4 pot? Or that there is a 4 pot with eDrive that can produce 450hp? Just curious

With all due respect to the OP, I swear the M2 forum needs its own Off-Topic subforum. This has absolutely nothing to do with the base M2 that we're all waiting to see. Craziness

I'm not going to argue with that. I would have posted it there if I could. It's a slideshow post no doubt but fills the time I guess.

The admins can move/delete it if they want. It's not that important to me.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Here you go (and that's right on topic):


See also:
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=73

Based on what 1 person said. Again, you're going by what 1 person says as if it is the gospel. It isn't. Absolutely no proof anywhere else so it's just words.

This whole thread is about what Scott does on the forums. At this point, 2 days before the unveil, who gives a damn?

I'm out. I'll see you guys after the unveil

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

Based on what 1 person said. Again, you're going by what 1 person says as if it is the gospel. It isn't. Absolutely no proof anywhere else so it's just words.

This whole thread is about what Scott does on the forums. At this point, 2 days before the unveil, who gives a damn?

I'm out. I'll see you guys after the unveil

If it unveils Wednesday at midnight in Germany, that's 6 PM eastern time tomorrow (Tuesday) in the U.S.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

As I posted before, it wouldn't surprise me that the M2 CSL might be a track-focused 4-banger, somewhere in the ± 3100 lbs / ± 1400 kg zone, stripped to the very essence, two-seater (roll cage), sports seats, extensive use of CF and CFRP and a price-tag deep within, or even beyond, M3/M4 territory. But street legal (unlike the M235i Racing).

The mad brother of the base M2 + marketing picturing it next to notorious M3 4-bangers of decades ago, accompanied by "///M Pure" or "///M Hardcore" slogans.

BMW did evaluate 4 cylinders for application in the M2. There is a 4-cyl with Power eDrive and eBoost which can produce around 450 PS. Go figure !

If the M2 CSL goes 4-cyl, we're bound to get a never-ending discussion too, loaded with 6-cyl nostalgia, with reference to core values and alleged ///M treason, etc.


Cherish the past - Embrace the future.

Actually.. you got my M2 CSL wish list spot on.. but you forgot to include the Meth injection.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Do you mean, like they made an E30 M3 with a 4 cylinder when they had an E30 325is with a 6 cylinder ?

that being the case.. I would love to hear how you are 100 percent sure that a 4 cylinder was NEVER considered..


I can think of a lot of reasons that they could indeed have offered a 4 cylinder.

- The #1 competitor in the Cayman will have a 4 cylinder......
- a Twin Turbo S20 or S48 motor that is designed off the S55 would be badass and have that " S" motor panache
- A 4 cylinder twin turbo motor S motor would absolutely be a higher revving motor than the N55B30. The S14 in the E30 M3 went to 7200 rpm stock... and most owners chipped their cars to 7600 (Dinan) or 7800 rpm (Conforti/TMS). I ran my car with an 8k rpm limit as a bored and stroked 2.5 liter and many of the rally cars ran with a 8500-9K rev limit.
- while a 4 Cylinder motor is not something that Joe average 2010s BMW fan wants... Guess what.... BMW makes a helluva 4 cylinder.. and it wouldn't take long for this to be RE-discovered.

You are right that they can make a badass inline 4 - ever been close by when the 1000 RR really gets going? You hear it go by more than see it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

Based on what 1 person said. Again, you're going by what 1 person says as if it is the gospel. It isn't. Absolutely no proof anywhere else so it's just words.

This whole thread is about what Scott does on the forums. At this point, 2 days before the unveil, who gives a damn?

I'm out. I'll see you guys after the unveil

Basically this thread is living proof of the depravity caused by the super loooooooooooooooooooooong tease of the M2 by BMW. People are seriously losing their collective shit at this point...hence why we are talking about what SCOTT knows or doesn't know.

I truly hope Wednesday is therapeutic for people.

[RLBB]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Insider wars!

The winner is whoever leaks a full production pic of the m2.

I'll give you this: no M3/M4 mirrors.