[Makman]

Just curious on how the US differs from the EU in transmission choice. Also the difference in general between the manual and DCT.

[M3 Adjuster]

I like this poll..

[Makman]

seriously....0 DCTs in the US so far? wtf?

tbh I think its bcuz its open poll, so ppl dont dare to pick the DCT...lol..my mistake...

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Makman

seriously....0 DCTs in the US so far? wtf?

tbh I think its bcuz its open poll, so ppl dont dare to pick the DCT...lol..my mistake...

This poll really isn't much of a surprise.If you have followed most threads on the M2 forum,people in the US prefer the manual,at least on the forum.You should of just included Canada in with the US because that is how I voted,6MT US.

[Transfer]

I don't like the verbiage of this poll. While I may not "prefer" DCT for the M2, I would get it because it is the better option for my driving environment.

[Dabozo]

I live in Canada so I guess I can't vote.
But the results are so far quite interesting. As someone who travelled to Europe annually growing up, I would be hard pressed to find an auto tranny anywhere. Whereas in NORTH AMERICA the auto rules. (I'm going off my so so memory but wasn't a manual a option here (cost more) vs it being standard in EU?)
I guess it's a testament to the fantastic auto transmissions that are available today..?

[Die ///M Rakete]

Love to see America keeping the manual alive

[Makman]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

This poll really isn't much of a surprise.If you have followed most threads on the M2 forum,people in the US prefer the manual,at least on the forum.You should of just included Canada in with the US because that is how I voted,6MT US.

I have followed the threads and I know MTs are very popular but I honestly didnt think they were this popular compared to the DCT. And yes, I should have written NA, sorry about that. Thank you for voting anyway

Originally Posted by Transfer

I don't like the verbiage of this poll. While I may not "prefer" DCT for the M2, I would get it because it is the better option for my driving environment.

I get your point but obv four poll-answers cant cover everyone. I tried to make them as simple as possible.

Originally Posted by Dabozo

I live in Canada so I guess I can't vote.
But the results are so far quite interesting. As someone who travelled to Europe annually growing up, I would be hard pressed to find an auto tranny anywhere. Whereas in NORTH AMERICA the auto rules. (I'm going off my so so memory but wasn't a manual a option here (cost more) vs it being standard in EU?)
I guess it's a testament to the fantastic auto transmissions that are available today..?

Sorry about that..haha...should have written NA. The MT is stadard in the EU, the DCTs comes at a very expensive cost, about 3800 euros.

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Love to see America keeping the manual alive

Amazing difference. But tbh I doubt this difference in sales. The average buyer will most likely be a DCT person? Bimmerpost members are enthusiasts(?)

[jcardenasmzl]

the results are definitely not expected, people in the US prefer MT to DCT 5:1. Now of course some people that would like the manual sometimes end up going for the DCT because most cars that are going to the US dealerships are auto (DCT) and some people can't/won't wait. Now given that the M2 will most likely be a difficult car to get I imagine most people ordering the car exactly how they want it rather than just taking one of the dealership (like a regular 3 series or something like that). Let's see if the ratio is going to be similar in Spring.

[stren]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I don't like the verbiage of this poll. While I may not "prefer" DCT for the M2, I would get it because it is the better option for my driving environment.

Haha yeah what you prefer and what you'd get are different. I'd want/prefer the manual, the wife would want me to get dct so she could drive it too. Compromises often happen

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by Makman

Amazing difference. But tbh I doubt this difference in sales. The average buyer will most likely be a DCT person? Bimmerpost members are enthusiasts(?)

You are exactly right.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by jcardenasmzl

the results are definitely not expected, people in the US prefer MT to DCT 5:1.

What?? Perhaps for a car like the M2 but def not in a general sense. Most have not a clue how to drive manual on this side of the pond.

[twboy1999]

most people that drive manual, cant drive it properly anywya

[jc9elfer]

Originally Posted by Makman

Just curious on how the US differs from the EU in transmission choice. Also the difference in general between the manual and DCT.

I lived in Germany for 8 years....everyone drives MT, no matter what the car.
I am going for the convenience of DCT in traffic, and for faster shifts on the track

[Corinne]

There's another aspect to this.... In Europe carbon emissions taxes penalise the MT. As an example, my dealer priced an M2 for me with MT and a carbon emissions tax of € 6500 because of the 199 g. of CO2. If I were to take the DCT, a € 3950 option, the emissions tax would be "only" € 3600 on a CO2 rate of 185 g. This essentially means DCT would only cost € 1000 more than the MT once emissions taxes have been paid. I suspect many people would be tempted to take the DCT since it doesn't cost much extra in this case. I tried the sport auto transmission on an M135i recently and didn't like it at all so I'm going for the MT. Incidentally the M2 works out at € 72600 with the options I chose and the MT emissions tax (basic price € 61750 inclusive of tax).

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Corinne

There's another aspect to this.... In Europe carbon emissions taxes penalise the MT. As an example, my dealer priced an M2 for me with MT and a carbon emissions tax of € 6500 because of the 199 g. of CO2. If I were to take the DCT, a € 3950 option, the emissions tax would be "only" € 3600 on a CO2 rate of 185 g. This essentially means DCT would only cost € 1000 more than the MT once emissions taxes have been paid. I suspect many people would be tempted to take the DCT since it doesn't cost much extra in this case. I tried the sport auto transmission on an M135i recently and didn't like it at all so I'm going for the MT. Incidentally the M2 works out at € 72600 with the options I chose and the MT emissions tax (basic price € 61750 inclusive of tax).

These carbon taxes in Europe are ridiculous,6500 euro in emissions tax on a car,what a tax grab.

[Makman]

Originally Posted by Corinne

There's another aspect to this.... In Europe carbon emissions taxes penalise the MT. As an example, my dealer priced an M2 for me with MT and a carbon emissions tax of € 6500 because of the 199 g. of CO2. If I were to take the DCT, a € 3950 option, the emissions tax would be "only" € 3600 on a CO2 rate of 185 g. This essentially means DCT would only cost € 1000 more than the MT once emissions taxes have been paid. I suspect many people would be tempted to take the DCT since it doesn't cost much extra in this case. I tried the sport auto transmission on an M135i recently and didn't like it at all so I'm going for the MT. Incidentally the M2 works out at € 72600 with the options I chose and the MT emissions tax (basic price € 61750 inclusive of tax).

Originally Posted by Nantucket

These carbon taxes in Europe are ridiculous,6500 euro in emissions tax on a car,what a tax grab.

Idk about that tax here in Sweden tho. The only difference in cost is the 3950 euro for the DCT. No extra tax cost for the MT here in Sweden.

[BMWFAN001]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I tried the sport auto transmission on an M135i recently and didn't like it at all so I'm going for the MT.).

You didn't like the sport auto transmission in the M135i?
I actually was an auto transmission hater for decades but that transmission changed my mind. It is just brillant and considered as one of the best engine / transmission-combinations out there.

What did you not like about this transmission?

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Makman

Idk about that tax here in Sweden tho. The only difference in cost is the 3950 euro for the DCT. No extra tax cost for the MT here in Sweden.

Since the emissions are higher the road tax will be higher for the MT, but not by much.

[BMWFAN001]

I live in Germany and for me its going to be the DCT. It is quicker and it can handle the amount of torque and power much better than a MT.

Had M-Cars with MT before (Z4 M). But at some point you realize that you will never be able to change gears so quickly and without loss of power as the DCT is able to do. This applies especially when shifting from first to second gear.

And with a certain amount of mileage the MT loses precision because of wear and tear of the synchronizer rings. This impairs the ability to change gears quickly even more.

And once you are in a traffic jam, you simply but the DCT on auto and do not have to handle the stop and go yourself.

So for me it is going to be the DCT because it is better in terms of performance as well as for daily driving.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by BMWFAN001

You didn't like the sport auto transmission in the M135i?
I actually was an auto transmission hater for decades but that transmission changed my mind. It is just brillant and considered as one of the best engine / transmission-combinations out there.

What did you not like about this transmission?

Well, I'm really anti any type of automatic transmission - it's not that the M135i one especially displeased me. Sorry I should have made that clear ! What I hate most is the sudden jerk when doing kickdown, and the feeling of being disconnected from the action.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

These carbon taxes in Europe are ridiculous,6500 euro in emissions tax on a car,what a tax grab.

Exactly ! They've gone too far in my opinion. The top rate is € 8000 when you go over 199 g. of CO2. This is one reason why people tend to favour diesels and now the greens are going bananas because diesels actually pollute more apparently... so that will be another excuse to increase diesel tax. Europe nowadays is all about tax, tax, tax, tax....