[deeechun]

Originally Posted by le panecito

That would be cool. As much as I like the styling of the M2, I always felt that the design of the rear lights were stuck a few years in the past.

Hmmm I don't know. I don't really like that design, I think I like the backlight as is now, but that's just my opinion heh

[Tag]

I'm highly skeptical that anything will change for 2017. In fact I'll go one step further and say this car has been neglected from the get go. It weighs almost the same as the M3/4, it's lacking M aesthetic accents, no M1/M2 buttons and the interior is a carry over from the 2 Series. Top that off with the low production volume (causing them to sell at MSRP, or more) and then add insult to injury with the new M240i having the same torque as the M2 'all the time' and same straight line acceleration.

It's such an odd car, because on one hand they don't want to cannibalize M3/4 sales and on the other hand the M240i is very close in features and performance which doesn't give this car it's space to shine. I don't know wtf is up with BMW. Hell, I still don't get the point of the grand sport models etc. Call me old fashion.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Tag

I'm highly skeptical that anything will change for 2017. In fact I'll go one step further and say this car has been neglected from the get go. It weighs almost the same as the M3/4, it's lacking M aesthetic accents, no M1/M2 buttons and the interior is a carry over from the 2 Series. Top that off with the low production volume (causing them to sell at MSRP, or more) and then add insult to injury with the new M240i having the same torque as the M2 'all the time' and same straight line acceleration.

It's such an odd car, because on one hand they don't want to cannibalize M3/4 sales and on the other hand the M240i is very close in features and performance which doesn't give this car it's space to shine. I don't know wtf is up with BMW. Hell, I still don't get the point of the grand sport models etc. Call me old fashion.

It's perfectly positioned as a loss leader.

customers see the M2 sizzle and come in the door and find that the M2 is unavailable, selling at MSRP and one must wait weeks or months.

The sell-down vehicle is the M240.
The sell-up vehicle is the M4.
The step- off vehicle is the M3 ( 4 doors ).

All three of these vehicles there is no doubt are more profitable for BMW than selling an M2.

If you think the M2 is oddly placed, what is the Cayman GT4?

Sell down to GTS and S
Sell up to 911
Step off - Macan -

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's perfectly positioned as a loss leader.

customers see the M2 sizzle and come in the door and find that the M2 is unavailable, selling at MSRP and one must wait weeks or months.

The sell-down vehicle is the M240.
The sell-up vehicle is the M4.
The step- off vehicle is the M3 ( 4 doors ).

All three of these vehicles there is no doubt are more profitable for BMW than selling an M2.

If you think the M2 is oddly placed, what is the Cayman GT4?

Sell down to GTS and S
Sell up to 911
Step off - Macan -

Not sure how much "up" there is to a 911 from the GT4 at real world prices...but otherwise the analogy is a pretty good one.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's perfectly positioned as a loss leader.

customers see the M2 sizzle and come in the door and find that the M2 is unavailable, selling at MSRP and one must wait weeks or months.

The sell-down vehicle is the M240.
The sell-up vehicle is the M4.
The step- off vehicle is the M3 ( 4 doors ).

All three of these vehicles there is no doubt are more profitable for BMW than selling an M2.

If you think the M2 is oddly placed, what is the Cayman GT4?

Sell down to GTS and S
Sell up to 911
Step off - Macan -

Uh oh. The new turbo boxster/cayman has more torque than the GT4! Run for the hills!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's perfectly positioned as a loss leader.

customers see the M2 sizzle and come in the door and find that the M2 is unavailable, selling at MSRP and one must wait weeks or months.

The sell-down vehicle is the M240.
The sell-up vehicle is the M4.
The step- off vehicle is the M3 ( 4 doors ).

All three of these vehicles there is no doubt are more profitable for BMW than selling an M2.

If you think the M2 is oddly placed, what is the Cayman GT4?

Sell down to GTS and S
Sell up to 911
Step off - Macan -

Anyone that's looking for an M2 isn't going to just toss in the towel and settle for an M240i. Sure, there will be some, but they'll be the minority. Even if the M2 is selling at MSRP the M4 is still $14k more, that's a huge leap that many cannot or do not want to make. I for one am someone who want's to get into an M2, but after months of unsuccessfully trying have given up. I had multiple deposits down with dealers in multiple surrounding states and got nowhere. I've given up for now, but the last thing I want is an M235i or even the M240i and I don't want an M4 (even though I could afford it). So here's the fourth option as the loss leader... I'm now looking at other cars from other manufacturers. I have time and can wait until next year so I haven't given up on an M2 yet, but if I'm still not successful by that time my next car will not be a BMW.

[dammitcubs]

Kinda ridiculous to always compare the M240i and the M2. They are not even the same league.

What? because it produces more Torque? Big Whoop...so do like a 100 cars.

I hope people buy the M240i - reduce the number of M2s on the road - keep my value.

[Tag]

Not comparing the two cars; you're missing the point.

[den525]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

Kinda ridiculous to always compare the M240i and the M2. They are not even the same league.

What? because it produces more Torque? Big Whoop...so do like a 100 cars.

I hope people buy the M240i - reduce the number of M2s on the road - keep my value.

Even the most diehard M2 fanboys have to admit there's a lot of similarities between the 2 cars, mainly interior identical, apart from stitchings, and m performance bits, engine almost identical.

Extra $$$ will be exterior, track, suspension, DCT gearbox.. Which we all know already

Basically the M2 will be a more exclusive track friendly car, and of course the True ///M heritage that the M235 or M240 won't have.

I think majority of buyers will still think the M2 is worth it base on the differences and exclusivity.

Anyways, the M235i is already very very close to the M2, now even closer with the M240 which is a little ridiculous.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Tag

Not comparing the two cars; you're missing the point.

No you are, sorry. And because you're on a waiting list and the M2 is too far away from you now, you find it an odd car with flaws this and that.

And here it is the M240i, with the 'godlike' engine or something, and you don't want that either because....

(I don't know)

Have you ever heard of the Tale of the Fox and the Grapes?




Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Uh oh. The new turbo boxster/cayman has more torque than the GT4! Run for the hills!

Yep will do(look at my avatar lol)

And GT4 being one of the best 2016 sportscars(if not THE best in my book what normal money can buy) it's slower on Hockenheim Short vs Carrera S 991.2....

I'd still choose the GT4 in a heartbeat.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by den525

Anyways, the M235i is already very very close to the M2, now even closer with the M240 which is a little ridiculous.

Powerwise you mean? On track it's not so close

And by that I also mean B roads etc.

1M and M235i were close, powerwise, on a normal track not a chance.

If I want torque I'd better buy a 750D (6MT please lol) and be done with it.

Cheers
Robin

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

No you are, sorry. And because you're on a waiting list and the M2 is too far away from you now, you find it an odd car with flaws this and that.

And here it is the M240i, with the 'godlike' engine or something, and you don't want that either because....

(I don't know)

Have you ever heard of the Tale of the Fox and the Grapes?




Cheers
Robin

Reading comprehension has become a lost art. Every time someone attempts to comment or make a point around here it gets distorted, in a patronizing manner and worst of all the criticism has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Believe what you will, even if it's outside of reality.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. -Moynihan

[den525]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Powerwise you mean? On track it's not so close

And by that I also mean B roads etc.

1M and M235i were close, powerwise, on a normal track not a chance.

If I want torque I'd better buy a 750D (6MT please lol) and be done with it.

Cheers
Robin

That's what I meant power wise.

M cars will be M cars... But M cars should also feel special vs standard series cars.

Well 3 series upwards, M cars have much improved interior on top of performance and drivability. Which is one major aspect missing from the M2.

I think it's also fair to say majority M2 owners won't ever track their cars, (especially the 90% owners who aren't on forums).

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Tag

Reading comprehension has become a lost art. Every time someone attempts to comment or make a point around here it gets distorted, in a patronizing manner and worst of all the criticism has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Believe what you will, even if it's outside of reality.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. -Moynihan

It can be the writer who is confusing

And:

“All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche

So why you don't want an M240i then? Should be a great car.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by den525

That's what I meant power wise.

M cars will be M cars... But M cars should also feel special vs standard series cars.

Well 3 series upwards, M cars have much improved interior on top of performance and drivability. Which is one major aspect missing from the M2.

I think it's also fair to say majority M2 owners won't ever track their cars, (especially the 90% owners who aren't on forums).

M is M agreed. There couldn't be a more M car than 1M for me the last decade (having had E46 M3 and E90 M3) so I won't settle for 'less'. And as I've read 1M is the 'better' more engaging M car(since M3 CSL). I will find out in a few weeks.

So M240i can have 600Nm and 450BHP(Like a 550i) but that doesn't make it an M car.

And yep I'm going to track it just like I did with the former Ms.

Cheers
Robin

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

It can be the writer who is confusing

"It can be the writer who is confused "

FTFY. It's not the writer, but rather the reader who's confused.

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So why you don't want an M240i then? Should be a great car.

Cheers
Robin

"So why don't you want an M240i then? Should be a great car."

FTFY. It appears English isn't your first language, yet you seem blame the writer instead of your own ability to comprehend. Your question is a bad one, because you are missing the point, again. Suggest you reread the thread.

[Robin_NL]

I will do sir.

deep bow to you sir.



I'm getting my M2 in about two weeks, I'll give you a nice report. Hope you like it sir.


And about confused/confusing:

http://www.wikihow.com/Confuse-Someone

You were confusing me.









Cheers
Robin

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I will do sir.

deep bow to you sir.



I'm getting my M2 in about two weeks, I'll give you a nice report. Hope you like it sir.





Cheers
Robin

I won't like your M2, I'll love it and look forward to your review.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Tag

Not comparing the two cars; you're missing the point.

So what are we doing here? Can you please give me THE point?






Cheers
Robin

[ilovewagons]

Some Facts:

'Ring times

BMW M3 CSL, F82 M4 - 7:50 Auto Motor un Sport
BMW M2 - 7:58 BMW Official
BMW 1M - +17s Auto Motor und Sport
BMW M235i - +18s Auto Motor und Sport

Hockenheim (short) Auto Motor und Sport
BMW M2 1:12.2 - fastest serial production BMW tested
BMW M4 +0.6s (manual)
BMW 1M +1.8s
BMW M235i +3.2s
just for fun:
AC Schnitzer M235i (412hp, track ready) 1:12.1

If anyone thinks the addition of a bit of torque and hp in an M235i is going to make a significant dent on those massive gaps, they should cancel their order and let someone who will appreciate an M2 take their order. Everyone else, enjoy your car, nothing to see here.

[Robin_NL]

HK =1:12.2 (Sportauto) Hockenheim Short

Thanks for the info @ilovewagons

Cheers
Robin