[Gatte]

Originally Posted by stren

An engine designed for turbos running without them isn't a particularly good NA engine. If you want a good NA engine you have to start from the ground up or an existing NA engine design. The closest thing to what you want is to drop an S54 or S65 in there in which case just buy an e46 :P Plus 400hp from a 3.0 = 133hp/litre NA which is really really hard to do. Consider the GT3RS is 125hp/litre.

You're probably right. Didn't put too much thought into it and was just hypothesizing in my head. I just really want that car. Only reason I've not tried harder to get an m2.

[Artemis]

FWIW, the following comment by a Swiss 1M forum fellow:

Originally Posted by Swiss500

Based on information I got from my friend who happens to be in charge of M sales at the dealer nearby, the M2 will be a limited production (although it is not said officially). Currently the persons who ordered their car 2 months ago won't get it delivered before next year. BMW is playing with the production time to limit volumes.
So for the next 12 months the 1M will keep its resale value.
After if you consider that BMW should release by end of 2017 an M2 CSL, neither the standard M2 nor the 1M will keep their value.
I have been told that the M2 CSL will only be sold to the BMW customers how own and have owned many M cars. So if you are not already an M customer for quite sometime... It is actually what happened for the M4 GTS.
So go buy a few now!

[discoboy1]

Originally Posted by Artemis

FWIW, the following comment by a Swiss 1M forum fellow:

Most of the times salesman don t know sh..
1M will loose as much value as Z8 have, it a simple supply an demand, M2 is mass production and will loose as much as M3 has since the E36...

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by discoboy1

Most of the times salesman don t know sh..
1M will loose as much value as Z8 have, it a simple supply an demand, M2 is mass production and will loose as much as M3 has since the E36...

And who knows if that even means NA will get them to have us lose any value. Which we probably won't since the car is so rare.

[Gatte]

With the M4 GTS, about 50% of the cars were sold to people who were determined eligible by BMW. The rest were sold by dealers to customers of their choice. I don't think the M2 CS/CSL would be as limited nor as hardcore as the M4 GTS since the M4 GTS was part of their centenary celebration and BMW will always try to keep the 4>2. The M3/M4 has been the flagship M model for BMW and the demand for M3/M4s and their variants will most definitely always be greater than that for the M2 and it's variants.

Looking at the current M2, it looks like BMW did not intentionally put in the M-mirrors, CF roof, hood scoop, programmable driving modes (2 buttons on the steering wheel) etc. with the CS/CSL in mind. All I really expect them to do is bump up the power a little bit (20-25 BHP), put in the CF bits, some other tweaks and call it the CS/CSL.

I also think that they could put in the B58 in the new car as a marketing tactic. It'll get the best publicity when all the reviewers rave about the new car and it's phenomenal engine.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Gatte

With the M4 GTS, about 50% of the cars were sold to people who were determined eligible by BMW. The rest were sold by dealers to customers of their choice. I don't think the M2 CS/CSL would be as limited nor as hardcore as the M4 GTS since the M4 GTS was part of their centenary celebration and BMW will always try to keep the 4>2. The M3/M4 has been the flagship M model for BMW and the demand for M3/M4s and their variants will most definitely always be greater than that for the M2 and it's variants.

Looking at the current M2, it looks like BMW did not intentionally put in the M-mirrors, CF roof, hood scoop, programmable driving modes (2 buttons on the steering wheel) etc. with the CS/CSL in mind. All I really expect them to do is bump up the power a little bit (20-25 BHP), put in the CF bits, some other tweaks and call it the CS/CSL.

I also think that they could put in the B58 in the new car as a marketing tactic. It'll get the best publicity when all the reviewers rave about the new car and it's phenomenal engine.

Why do people want a less of an "M" like motor in the M2? Is it so you can say you 369 torques all of the time instead of just 30 seconds at a time? Or is it for tuning capibilities?

[BMWPWR]

Originally Posted by Gatte

With the M4 GTS, about 50% of the cars were sold to people who were determined eligible by BMW. The rest were sold by dealers to customers of their choice. I don't think the M2 CS/CSL would be as limited nor as hardcore as the M4 GTS since the M4 GTS was part of their centenary celebration and BMW will always try to keep the 4>2. The M3/M4 has been the flagship M model for BMW and the demand for M3/M4s and their variants will most definitely always be greater than that for the M2 and it's variants.

Looking at the current M2, it looks like BMW did not intentionally put in the M-mirrors, CF roof, hood scoop, programmable driving modes (2 buttons on the steering wheel) etc. with the CS/CSL in mind. All I really expect them to do is bump up the power a little bit (20-25 BHP), put in the CF bits, some other tweaks and call it the CS/CSL.

I also think that they could put in the B58 in the new car as a marketing tactic. It'll get the best publicity when all the reviewers rave about the new car and it's phenomenal engine.

That's pretty much what they did for the M4 CS.

[Robin_NL]

So is there a CSL in the pipeline or is this still hearsay?

This thread is confusing me a bit(understatement)

Cheers
Robin

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So is there a CSL in the pipeline or is this still hearsay?

This thread is confusing me a bit(understatement)

Cheers
Robin

The M240i IS the M2 CSL! *Mind Blown*!!!!

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

The M240i IS the M2 CSL! *Mind Blown*!!!!

@Jason please put this text in big & bold on the FrontPage please.

Gotta love more chaos.

Cheers
Robin

[bogeyman]

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/05/20/wo...-2002-hommage/

Looks pretty good to me. Missing the carbon roof but has the ducktail boot, Carbon ceramics, updated M3 CSL style wheels and a nice wide body. M2 CSL anyone? Not a fan of the rear lights though, they remind me of a Vauxhall Calibra.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by bogeyman

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/05/20/wo...-2002-hommage/

Looks pretty good to me. Missing the carbon roof but has the ducktail boot, Carbon ceramics, updated M3 CSL style wheels and a nice wide body. M2 CSL anyone? Not a fan of the rear lights though, they remind me of a Vauxhall Calibra.

Is that the new Camaro Z28?

[Gatte]

It looks great as it is except the rear. They need to fix the rear lights which just does not look right, make the front a little less extreme, put in the carbon fibre roof, and tweak the sides a little bit.

Then add 30-40 hp more, subtract 200 lb and we'll have something very special.

[confusion]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Is that the new Camaro Z28?

Nah, brah. Dodge Charger 2.0, yo.

That thing is hideous. People saying that it's better looking than the 3.0 CSL are smoking some serious shit. If that's the future M2 CSL, I couldn't be happier to be driving what I've got.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by confusion

Nah, brah. Dodge Charger 2.0, yo.

That thing is hideous. People saying that it's better looking than the 3.0 CSL are smoking some serious shit. If that's the future M2 CSL, I couldn't be happier to be driving what I've got.

Nah to both - at least this one is designed so it can can stay on the road. The z28 seems to be a work In progress


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...e-nurburgring/

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by confusion

Nah, brah. Dodge Charger 2.0, yo.

That thing is hideous. People saying that it's better looking than the 3.0 CSL are smoking some serious shit. If that's the future M2 CSL, I couldn't be happier to be driving what I've got.

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro

[filet.M2c]

They already have a design that I think is perfect. Please BMW make this the CSL!

[Artemis]

Page 64 of the M2 Technical Training (that you can find in the manuals sticky) shows an M2 instrument cluster featuring 8500 RPM (Comment: "Speed and engine speed display correspond to the drive concept (300 km/h in 30 km scale divisions, 8,000 rpm)."). On page 61 of that document the M2 instrument cluster is shown that we know.

No idea how that alternative instrument cluster ended up in the base M2 Technical Training. Food for speculation.

By the way, this was also pointed out in the "BMW M2 Technical Training document: answers to many questions" thread (Feb 8, 2016). Unfortunately, that thread has mysteriously vanished from the M2 forum. Too bad, because it contained some interesting discussions.

How it's shown (8.5K RPM + "T/min x 1000" indication + different fuel gauge division):


How it is (7.5K RPM) (no picture of my car):

[Gatte]

Need to find a picture of the dash on the 2002 hommage.

[confusion]

Originally Posted by Ummm2

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro

Dang, you got me. Now the image below, that's actually pretty awesome.

Originally Posted by synergist

They already have a design that I think is perfect. Please BMW make this the CSL!

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Page 64 of the M2 Technical Training (that you can find in the manuals sticky) shows an M2 instrument cluster featuring 8500 RPM (Comment: "Speed and engine speed display correspond to the drive concept (300 km/h in 30 km scale divisions, 8,000 rpm)."). On page 61 of that document the M2 instrument cluster is shown that we know.

No idea how that alternative instrument cluster ended up in the base M2 Technical Training. Food for speculation.

Would make sense they used some variant of the S55 tach to mock up dash layout/design for the M2. Weird how it slipped into print though.

[Oliver1]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

What's the difference in compression ratio for the S55 vs S54. I would assume the s55 had a lower CR.

S54 = 11.5:1

N54/N55/S55 = 10.2:1