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      11-24-2017, 06:38 AM   #1
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What negative camber is everyone running?on lowered M2’s?

So what is everyone running? Front and rear,
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???? For street? Track? Stock suspension? Aftermarket?
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???? For street? Track? Stock suspension? Aftermarket?
For street. Anything lowered.
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For street. Anything lowered.
Just run stock camber...? I don't understand the question...

Why are you hoping to achieve?
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Just curious what most people run on lowered cars for street. Thats all
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      11-24-2017, 08:34 PM   #6
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Just curious what most people run on lowered cars for street. Thats all
Align your car for the purpose of driving...why run crazy camber if you are going to do 90% of your driving on the highway and wear out your tires in 5k miles vs. 20k miles?
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As above + oem -30min camber correction hubs -2 deg
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Just curious what most people run on lowered cars for street. Thats all
Align your car for the purpose of driving...why run crazy camber if you are going to do 90% of your driving on the highway and wear out your tires in 5k miles vs. 20k miles?
Camber generally doesn't wear your tires out as toe does.

Would be interested in what settings others are running lowered without camber plates though I do believe the amount of drop, wheels and tires affect the camber just as much.
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Align your car for the purpose of driving...why run crazy camber if you are going to do 90% of your driving on the highway and wear out your tires in 5k miles vs. 20k miles?
He asked a perfectly valid question. Rather than judge his decision making, why not just answer or don't post at all? lol


OP: I'd read some guides to get a sense of what geometry you feel is best for you. Your driving style and skill both impact what toe/camber would be best for you. I assume you like spirited driving, which is why you asked the question in the first place.

There was a great discussion on these forums a few years ago. Check it out: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1278520
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As above said, just answer the guy's damn question if not you don't have to reply.

I am on stock suspension, stock wheels but 265 front and 285 rear cup 2s.

on stock the most negative camber i can get on rear is -2 degrees, and front -1 degree

I track about every 6 weeks (4 days so far), the -1 degree in front chews my tires bad (i have camber plates coming for the front, plan to use -2.5 in front and leave -2 in the rear)

Hope this answers your question from me
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As above said, just answer the guy's damn question if not you don't have to reply.

I am on stock suspension, stock wheels but 265 front and 285 rear cup 2s.

on stock the most negative camber i can get on rear is -2 degrees, and front -1 degree

I track about every 6 weeks (4 days so far), the -1 degree in front chews my tires bad (i have camber plates coming for the front, plan to use -2.5 in front and leave -2 in the rear)

Hope this answers your question from me
What does the wear pattern look like?
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In degrees:

Track- Front: -3.1, 0.04 total toe in, Rear: -2.0, 0.30 toe in
Street- Front: -1.8, 0.08 total toe in, Rear: -1.8, 0.30 toe in
Stock- Front: -1.5, 0.16 total toe in, Rear: -1.8, 0.27 toe in

I’m lowered 1/2” front & 3/4” rear.
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The stock Toe will shred the outside edge if you're pressing on. Try setting it to 0, and see how it feels.
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The stock Toe will shred the outside edge if you're pressing on. Try setting it to 0, and see how it feels.
I ran zero toe in the front for a while, but it was a PITA driving on the streets during Track season. The tiny bit of toe in helps tremendously on the street, and provides added stability on high speed straights and under hard braking.

Haven’t noticed any major turn in or tire wear impacts.

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What does the wear pattern look like?
Rear wear is noticably less than the front, fairly even.

Circuit I track on is anti-clockwise, not many right turns so the front right takes the most damage.

Wear is high on the outside edge of the right tire, and looks almost untouched on the inside edge. However I used to run the stock tire sizes (245 front 265 rear) and moving to the larger sizes there is far less sidewall wear/chording on the low amount of camber capable on stock. Still, as I still plan to track frequently the front camber of -1 just isn't enough, from a wear point of view.

Hope this answers your question.
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I've been setting up BMW M cars for 20 years now.

Both for serious BSP solo 2 work and also as a HPDE instructor/driver.

The 1st common misconception is lots of neg camber will ruin your tires.

Simply not true. I've run between 3.2 and 3.7 degrees of neg camber up front on my last 3 cars with only a small amount of increased inside edge wear.

The secret is to run "ZERO" Toe.

If your not planning on frequent track & autocross days then you can run less camber, or preset your plates for street and track settings. Run 2-2.5 on the street with zero toe then push them in to the track setting. Don't worry about where the toe ends up. After the day is over push them back out to the street settings.

Unless your a track junkie and/or an autocross addict the above works great. Otherwise set them up and leave them with the exact performance alignment you decide on.


The number one mod after tires on a BMW for handling is maximizing neg camber at both ends of the car... its eye opening. Not sways, not springs, not C/O's, etc.

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So i ended up running -2 degrees on the rear with my M perf coilovers and whatever the front naturally ends up being. Drives comfortably for street.
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Just want to be clear for the newer guys that zero toe in the front is good for the track, but zero toe in the rear is not recommended. The car gets less stable under throttle the less rear toe you have.

Some guys like less rear toe to help rotate the car in the corner, but I find that comes at the cost of mid corner and corner exit stability while you’re trying to get max power down. The rear toe keeps everything consistent and stable, and if I need some rotation, I just add a little more throttle.
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Rear wear is noticably less than the front, fairly even.

Circuit I track on is anti-clockwise, not many right turns so the front right takes the most damage.

Wear is high on the outside edge of the right tire, and looks almost untouched on the inside edge. However I used to run the stock tire sizes (245 front 265 rear) and moving to the larger sizes there is far less sidewall wear/chording on the low amount of camber capable on stock. Still, as I still plan to track frequently the front camber of -1 just isn't enough, from a wear point of view.

Hope this answers your question.
Yes - I was curious as to whether this was camber or toe. Do you have the front toe set to 0?
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Yes - I was curious as to whether this was camber or toe. Do you have the front toe set to 0?
Correct, front toe is zero, front camber (stock setup, -1)
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Just want to be clear for the newer guys that zero toe in the front is good for the track, but zero toe in the rear is not recommended. The car gets less stable under throttle the less rear toe you have.

Some guys like less rear toe to help rotate the car in the corner, but I find that comes at the cost of mid corner and corner exit stability while you’re trying to get max power down. The rear toe keeps everything consistent and stable, and if I need some rotation, I just add a little more throttle.
What's your rear toe set at? Wanting to compare.
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