[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Did the 1M do well? Of course it did. But they only made 1500 or 2000 of them, or whatever it was. Aka, BMW wasn't convinced unless the market proved that such a car would succeed from a sales perspective.

2700 were scheduled. 6309 were manufactured (2011-2012).

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Artemis

2700 were scheduled. 6309 were manufactured (2011-2012).

Thanks for the numbers - point being that they weren't easily procured, due to limited numbers and (some) insane markups.

I am not sure how the 1M is valued outside the US? Prices are still pretty high here, but wondering what it looks like in the EU or elsewhere...

[swagon]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Thanks for the numbers - point being that they weren't easily procured, due to limited numbers and (some) insane markups.

I am not sure how the 1M is valued outside the US? Prices are still pretty high here, but wondering what it looks like in the EU or elsewhere...

Still pretty high.

Under €40,000 you're looking at cars with 60k+ miles (very few of those)
Between €40 and 50,000 you can find some not so high-mileage examples (think 25-40k miles), with a couple of 20kmls exceptions
Low to mid 50's get you a few cars with 10-15k miles
€55,000 and more means low mileage vehicles
For mere €82,900 there is an unregistered 1 M with a cover and other 1 M swag

What's interesting is that LCI 135i's with less than 20k miles are basically gone and if there is an LCI 135i, it's got more than 20k miles and costs the same as CPO 135i's with less miles two years ago.

More 1 M's for sale than LCI 135i Coupés, too.

[BKBMW335I]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

Parked my 1M next to the M2 and took a few shots. I have a deposit down on the M2, can't wait to do a real comparision. Sun was setting when I took the photos.

What is your opinion regarding looks compared with the 1M?

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Specs compared from comparison thread: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1183712

BMW M2

• 3.0L Turbo inline 6 cylinder (N55)
• 365 hp @ 6500 RPM
• 343 lb-ft @ 1400-5560 RPM (with +26 lb-ft overboost)
• 7000 RPM rev limiter
• 0-60 mph: 4.2 sec (w/ DCT and Launch Control)
• 0-60 mph: 4.4 sec (6 speed manual)
• 155 mph top speed
• Width: 73 in
• Height: 55.5 in
• Wheelbase: 106 in
• US Curb Weight: 3450 lbs (MT) / 3505 (DCT)

BMW 1 Series M Coupe

• 3.0L Turbo inline 6 cylinder (N54)
• 335 hp @ 5900rpm
• 332 lb-ft @ 1500-4500 RPM (with + 37lb-ft overboost)
• 7000 rpm redline
• 0-60 mph: 4.7 sec
• 155 mph top speed
• Width: 71 in
• Height: 55.9 in
• Wheelbase: 104.72 in
• DIN weight 3,296 lbs

I never figured this out or understood this but why does BMW limit the top speed of all of these cars to 155mph?

Not that most of us will ever go anywhere near that speed, but I'm just asking.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by BKBMW335I

I never figured this out or understood this but why does BMW limit the top speed of all of these cars to 155mph?

Not that most of us will ever go anywhere near that speed, but I'm just asking.

One of the admins wrote up a good explanation of this not too long ago. Had something to do with all the manf. in europe agreeing to one standard to appease the governments over there I think? Then they all started slowly raising it individually. That's probably not 100% accurate.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by BKBMW335I

I never figured this out or understood this but why does BMW limit the top speed of all of these cars to 155mph?
Not that most of us will ever go anywhere near that speed, but I'm just asking.

Originally Posted by PackPride85

One of the admins wrote up a good explanation of this not too long ago. Had something to do with all the manf. in europe agreeing to one standard to appease the governments over there I think? Then they all started slowly raising it individually. That's probably not 100% accurate.

Look here: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ge...sir-47736.html

[nachob]

I have not been happy with the so many of the latest BMW offerings but I am happily surprised with the M2. Yes, the rear is ugly but most new cars are ugly. I'm not sure what has happened in the last 10 years but it seems like aesthetic lines have gone and replaced by weird "shock" styling just to be different. Audi is the only company that has been consistently making pretty cars lately in my humble opinion. Even the ugly cars of yesteryear were cool like the early 2000s STi. It was butt Ugly but as someone called it, "Mad Max" ugly. I think the M2 brings a hint of the Mad Max ugly in the front and the rear that makes it cool again. I am also impressed that they went with a fixed suspension and reduced the gadgetry somewhat compared to other models. I recently gave up my number 1 spot for an M2 and bought another 1M. I bought a no-nav 1M with a cockpit that is old school with no nav screen, no "Comfort" button and little fluff. I am happy to report as a fan that I like the M2 and if there was no manly no-nav 1M offered, I would've gotten the M2 based on what I see. Not because I think the M2 is a more fun car but because warranty, euro delivery, blue color offering are things that fall into the equation. I really don't like a lot of what BMW does lately but I give them Kudos for the M2. I know they can't offer one without a NAV screen because everyone wants it but well done BMW. If my 1M got hit by a meteor and I couldn't find a reasonable clean NO-NAV cockpit 1M then I would be on the list again!

[RaceCarDriver]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Ah, sweet memories. Accolade presents: "Test Drive" on the Amiga back in 1987.

Check the stats back in the day and compare with those of the 1M and M2 now. The spoilt generation.

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[BKBMW335I]

Originally Posted by nachob

I have not been happy with the so many of the latest BMW offerings but I am happily surprised with the M2. Yes, the rear is ugly but most new cars are ugly. I'm not sure what has happened in the last 10 years but it seems like aesthetic lines have gone and replaced by weird "shock" styling just to be different. Audi is the only company that has been consistently making pretty cars lately in my humble opinion. Even the ugly cars of yesteryear were cool like the early 2000s STi. It was butt Ugly but as someone called it, "Mad Max" ugly. I think the M2 brings a hint of the Mad Max ugly in the front and the rear that makes it cool again. I am also impressed that they went with a fixed suspension and reduced the gadgetry somewhat compared to other models. I recently gave up my number 1 spot for an M2 and bought another 1M. I bought a no-nav 1M with a cockpit that is old school with no nav screen, no "Comfort" button and little fluff. I am happy to report as a fan that I like the M2 and if there was no manly no-nav 1M offered, I would've gotten the M2 based on what I see. Not because I think the M2 is a more fun car but because warranty, euro delivery, blue color offering are things that fall into the equation. I really don't like a lot of what BMW does lately but I give them Kudos for the M2. I know they can't offer one without a NAV screen because everyone wants it but well done BMW. If my 1M got hit by a meteor and I couldn't find a reasonable clean NO-NAV cockpit 1M then I would be on the list again!

I think it's fine, remember one man's ugly is another man's beauty queen.

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Originally Posted by PackPride85 View Post
One of the admins wrote up a good explanation of this not too long ago. Had something to do with all the manf. in europe agreeing to one standard to appease the governments over there I think? Then they all started slowly raising it individually. That's probably not 100% accurate.
Look here: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ge...sir-47736.html

Thank you both gentlemen.

[doccyber]

The 1M is going to depreciate once the M2 comes out.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by doccyber

The 1M is going to depreciate once the M2 comes out.

the 1M will only go up in price....about 3 months ago was when they were 'cheapest'....you all missed your chance

very few cars do what the 1M has done in terms of resale value....Ford GT, 911 GT RS 4.0, and now the Cayman GT4. Cars that never depreciated after launch....

I remember when the M4 was coming out people were saying the 1M would depreciate....and nothing happened at all to prices.

I have been watching the 1M market for 3+ years very very closely and it goes up and down $2000 but overall sales of these are mostly in the $50-60k region even now. Even high mileage cars only dip into the high 40s with 3 owner histories and accidents in their history. The 1M market is bulletproof.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the 1M will only go up in price....about 3 months ago was when they were 'cheapest'....you all missed your chance

very few cars do what the 1M has done in terms of resale value....Ford GT, 911 GT RS 4.0, and now the Cayman GT4. Cars that never depreciated after launch....

I remember when the M4 was coming out people were saying the 1M would depreciate....and nothing happened at all to prices.

Add the Z8!

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the 1M will only go up in price....

Get ready to be disappointed...at least for the next decade. The M2 will fill the 1M niche quite nicely while also being available, brand new and under warranty, and offering a comparable driving experience while easily outperforming your beloved E82.

To most potential buyers this will turn into a no-brainer once the numbers come into play. Think about it...the M2 will lease brand spanking new for less than the older, slower and out of warranty 1M alternative in what is essentially an updated version of the same package. You don't think that this will adversely affect resale values? Head in the sand much?

You say the 1M's driving dynamics and looks are magical and better? Not magically better enough amigo...you'll see.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the 1M will only go up in price....about 3 months ago was when they were 'cheapest'....you all missed your chance

very few cars do what the 1M has done in terms of resale value....Ford GT, 911 GT RS 4.0, and now the Cayman GT4. Cars that never depreciated after launch....

I remember when the M4 was coming out people were saying the 1M would depreciate....and nothing happened at all to prices.

I have been watching the 1M market for 3+ years very very closely and it goes up and down $2000 but overall sales of these are mostly in the $50-60k region even now. Even high mileage cars only dip into the high 40s with 3 owner histories and accidents in their history. The 1M market is bulletproof.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by doccyber

The 1M is going to depreciate once the M2 comes out.

Said the E36 m3 owner to the E30 M3 owner...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Said the E36 m3 owner to the E30 M3 owner...

Different time and different market - it will be interesting to see how it plays out in this century.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Different time and different market - it will be interesting to see how it plays out in this century.

is it? because the M2 is basically the same car... and it's the same kinda market.... Except.. the first time it was 740 for the US market vs ??

[miiipilot]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

I had that game on the Commodore 64

Me too. Thanks for the memories.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

is it? because the M2 is basically the same car... and it's the same kinda market.... Except.. the first time it was 740 for the US market vs ??

lol I was referring to the E30/E36 comment you made.

But for the 1M vs. the M2, I really think they are different. The 1M didn't have many true competitors when it came out, at least from the traditional foes (Audi, MB). It was a small, RWD, inline 6 coupe from BMW that was hard to get in a segment that is shrinking.

While much of the M2 follows the same formula, the competition has taken notice and is putting forth some real competition this time. And I think the M2 will hold its own just fine...against direct competitors...which means it might just be more special than the 1M.

Just sayin.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

lol I was referring to the E30/E36 comment you made.

But for the 1M vs. the M2, I really think they are different. The 1M didn't have many true competitors when it came out, at least from the traditional foes (Audi, MB). It was a small, RWD, inline 6 coupe from BMW that was hard to get in a segment that is shrinking.

While much of the M2 follows the same formula, the competition has taken notice and is putting forth some real competition this time. And I think the M2 will hold its own just fine...against direct competitors...which means it might just be more special than the 1M.

Just sayin.

Let me beat IEDEI to the point as I say.. oh my.. that was a good one..

How about another comparison... the E46 M3 vs the Z4 M with S54... same motor but the low production car is worth more..

[SW19]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Let me beat IEDEI to the point as I say.. oh my.. that was a good one..

How about another comparison... the E46 M3 vs the Z4 M with S54... same motor but the low production car is worth more..

I agree,the 1M will definitely hold its value based on the low production numbers and also because it is a great sports car.The M2 release won't affect IM prices at all IMO.

I have never checked Z4 M prices but the E46 M3 with 6MT values are also going up in price,at least for cars that are in good shape and don't have a huge amount of miles.

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the 1M will only go up in price....about 3 months ago was when they were 'cheapest'....you all missed your chance

very few cars do what the 1M has done in terms of resale value....Ford GT, 911 GT RS 4.0, and now the Cayman GT4. Cars that never depreciated after launch....

I remember when the M4 was coming out people were saying the 1M would depreciate....and nothing happened at all to prices.

I have been watching the 1M market for 3+ years very very closely and it goes up and down $2000 but overall sales of these are mostly in the $50-60k region even now. Even high mileage cars only dip into the high 40s with 3 owner histories and accidents in their history. The 1M market is bulletproof.

u can drive ur 1M for another 20 yrs if that makes u happy ... as for me, I'll take a new ///M every 3 yrs :