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911 turbo 3500 Acura NSX 3800 S550 4800 GTR 3900 RS5 4000 Audi R8 3600 E46 M3 3400 E92 M3 3700 All modern Ferraris weight around 3500 RC-F close to 4000 Corvette 3300-3500 C63 AMG coupe 3800 GT350 3800 .....oh....wait for it....M235 3500 Obviously weight is not everything, it's how everything works together in one package.....and a proper LSD will outweigh that extra 150 lbs by a mile (been proven before too) PS. Honda Civic weights 2700-2900 lbs. I am wondering if you think it's better then your car? It should be according to your logic. 600 pounds difference there. Edit: You also all forgot that all those weight numbers are for base models, and loaded 328 with m235 performance bits and pieces will weight more then what's on the websites. The real difference could be as little as 100 pounds when you add EDC, Adaptive lights, 18-wheels, and bigger brakes And "not as fun or as well balanced a car for everyday use"....you can feed this bullshit to others, up until last week I had S2000 which I drove for 5 years and back to back with M235i. The most fun part about S2000 wasn't handling which is worlds apart from 228i, but it's high performance high rev engine and 6-speed transmission Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-13-2016 at 08:58 AM.. |
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If you want the last word, have it. Hell: even throw vulgarity in there for emphasis. Plainly you're one of the butt-hurt ones. 'Weight' for it ... :: rolls eyes ::
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06-13-2016, 10:09 AM | #113 | |
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Its just silly to say that 228 is more fun and more balanced in daily use. Autox maybe slightly if both have track packages and open diff. But even for autox i would pick 235 with lsd if that was an option. Its just as silly as me going to M2 forums are crapping all over that car because I have M235i.....I dont do that, and I know I would rather have M2 because its a better car and more fun then both 228 and 235 In normal daily use and some spirited driving I missed N54 when I bought S2000, and I know for a fact that I will miss S2000 engine and tranny now that I bought M235i.....thank god its manual with lsd Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-13-2016 at 11:05 AM.. |
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What is your beef with someone's view of fun? I really don't get it.
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06-13-2016, 11:33 AM | #115 | |
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and i am not arguing that 150 pound cant be felt on autox, they can be. thats why i do understand why some get the lightest version possible. but most get it for different reasons and then all bs comes out, how its more fun daily driving it. S2000 was obviously fun in handling too when you take the ramps at crazy speeds close to triple digits.....but thats not really daily driving. In my head I am not even comparing 228 to 235, its s2k vs 235i for me, and thats roughly 700 lbs difference (228 vs S2k do have same HP number though) I guess could depend on location too, here in MA all roads are straight and its fun to open up that F22C in S2000 and N55 in BMW, could be different in mountains Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-13-2016 at 12:09 PM.. |
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06-13-2016, 06:03 PM | #116 |
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Kind of off the subject, but I've always heard good things about the S2000. I remember when it came out. It had the same HP as my E36 M3 (240).
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In general I am a manual transmission fanatic. My M4, S2000, and 4runner all have MT. Wife has an X1 with the 4 cylinder N20 and the ZF 8 speed. The engine paired with that tranny feels pretty quick. The 228i feels even quicker with the ZF. But with the manual transmission the 228i felt off to me. Felt like the gears were spread too wide. It's maybe just what i'm used to, you might feel different if you have never driven a car with the N20 and ZF.
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06-13-2016, 08:47 PM | #118 | |
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Funny that it was the 1st car to introduce electric steering back in 2000 and it's perfect, better then in m235i I switched because after 5 years even S2000 can get boring, it took me 1 year to get bored of e92 335i. Power, luxury, and new car smell are nice to have....Really wanted ISF not BMW though, I don't trust it's poor reliability record but keeping my fingers crossed now Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-13-2016 at 09:06 PM.. |
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I can't see ever getting rid of my S. Though i've only had it for three years. 2001 with 37k miles...put about 3k miles a year max, and about 6 track days a year.
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06-13-2016, 10:33 PM | #120 | |
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I wasn't a big fan of Porsche manual, maybe new 7-speed is better, haven't driven that yet. Although the 6-speed I drove a long time ago too, I don't even remember how it felt. I do like manual in M235i....just needs to be a little shorter BMW was a spontaneous purchase, I got tired of looking for cars that I wanted. Maybe it's a wrong pick.....don't know, after all I did look at Cayman and some of those were same price or cheaper then my 235 Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-13-2016 at 10:38 PM.. |
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I read the article and all I have to say is that to each his/her own. The 228i, M 235i or the M2 are all better than most cars out there....choosing among them is like splitting hairs.
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I agree. If I had to do it over again, I may have looked at a 228i, but the M2 is the car I really wanted. I'm very happy with my M235i, but in a few years or sooner, if they're still making them I'm getting an M2.
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Exactly! You nailed it!
They are objectively certainly different from most cars and their subjective "better-ness" is up to each person to decide. BTW, condolences on all the unfortunate situations which have befallen the people in Orlando in recent times.
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Not many 6cyl-turbo options out there that are reasonable for DD and the wallet. The 235i fit my bill, with RWD, 6MT, i6 Turbo, Direct Injection, German car features galore
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I think I miss understood you in that you were saying the auto is better suited for the 228. Certainly a preference thing. The auto is definitely faster/closer spacing (and easier to drive lol) but I've never had any doubts with my MT. What I was really getting at was, how do the 235 MT and 228 MT differ in feel. On a side note, it's interesting you feel the gears are too wide. My buddy who drives a Mustang liked how "closely spaced they are". I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I think it comes down to what you've driven before. And since you have a m4 and s2000 I'm not surprised you'd come to that conclusion. Always good to get a different perspective. |
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