[ska///235i]

Not even 375hp...they'll matchup with the cla amg but have just enough performance to beat it

They'll save the HPs for the next M2

[RSXDC5]

Originally Posted by Seagull

+1

374.999hp at most.

I see what you did there!
375hp to 374.999hp!!

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by RSXDC5

I see what you did there!
375hp to 374.999hp!!

Doh! caught!

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by momo3605

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that. Except 300hp is too low. There's no way it'll be less powerful than the 235i. I would bet probably 350hp and under 3200lbs

totally agree. 350 and less than 3200 sounds realistic!

[SCOTT26]

F92.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

F92.

aha!

F92 M2? interesting...isn't that too high of a number?

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

aha!

F92 M2? interesting...isn't that too high of a number?

No. Because BMW is well into the G-series numbers already.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

F92.

Next step is to reveal the engine code!

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Next step is to reveal the engine code!

The clue is F98.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The clue is F98.

That is the X1 M.

[Nobledriver]

I've read this thread, many things have been said about a 4 inline FI, some positive, more negative, but nobody mentioned the durability of small engines with big turbos, which I believe is worse than a somewhat bigger engine with a smaller turbo. If i give 60.000 or more euros (in Belgium the price will be like that at least) to a car, I hope that the engine is gonna last more than a couple years, in fact I want it to be rigid for as long as possible, and not having to go to the workshop every now and then for engine problems.

There must be (and there are) alternatives for forced induction even, I know for instance Mazda is bravely walking on the path of high compression ratios nowadays.

Another thing I wanted to say is that you can't compare a N/A 4 inline like the S14 with a turbo 4 inline like possibly the future M2.

The marketing budget of BMW may be as high as the sky, they will never convince me a heavily turboed 4I will be a good successor for the M3 / 1M. It's a bit sad but I have to look beyond BMW than.

[Aust350z]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The clue is F98.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140219834

although sources also say BMW is developing a powerful new direct-injection 2.0-liter turbo four producing around 300 hp, part of its new B48 engine family. The idea is to compete with the Audi Q3 RS' 296 hp and the Mercedes-Benz GLA45 AMG's 355 hp. BMW's new high-output four should find its way into planned X1 and X2 M-Performance variants.

I hope there is a little more power than 300bhp. Scott, I remember reading a previous post of yours where you mentioned testing was around 340bhp (very similar to E46 M3) which would be pleasing

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Aust350z

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140219834



I hope there is a little more power than 300bhp. Scott, I remember reading a previous post of yours where you mentioned testing was around 340bhp (very similar to E46 M3) which would be pleasing

It could be as much as 380 PS.

[Aust350z]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It could be as much as 380 PS.

Now you're just teasing! But I like what the rumour mill says

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

374 HP? We know BMW underrates their engines. I'l be picking one up an M2 when a competition package becomes available.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It could be as much as 380 PS.

wow that is a lot. is the plan to still make it lightweight? the problem is the M235 is so heavy that I don't know what lightweight would mean relative to those numbers....so 1M weight maybe?

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

375 * .15% drivetrain loss = 56.1

375 - 56 = 318 HP to the wheels. If it weights anywhere near what the M235i weights(3,500 pounds), The M2 will get spanked by a M235i that has an aftermarket air filter.

[BMW269]

Some BMW numbers, but they are not that accurate because of a.) equipment b.) marketing. Anyway:

220d : 1450 kg
420d : 1525 kg (+75 kg)

220i : 1425 kg
420i : 1505 kg (+80 kg)

235i : 1530 kg
435i : 1585 kg (+55 kg)

M4 S55 : 1572 kg
M2 S55 : 1500 kg(-72 kg)

Let us say a 2 Series Coupé is about 70 kg lighter than a 4 Series Coupé, an M2 with same CF weight savings and engine as an M4 would be about 70 kg lighter an come in at 1500 kg. So it will be as M4 but lighter and thus faster and quicker. It won't happen. A detuned I6 would not make it the M2 lighter, just slower.

220i : 1425 kg
235i : 1530 kg (+95 kg)

420i : 1505 kg
428i : 1525 kg (+20 kg)
435i : 1585 kg (+60 kg) (+80 kg)
M4 : 1572 k (-13 kg)

The I6 makes the car about 80 kg heavier (at the nose). The M4 make more than 100 PS more than the 435i without adding weight, but rather loosing weight. Let us give the 2 Series the bigger I4 engine from the 428i, it would add about 20 kg.

235i : 1530 kg
228i : 1445 kg (-85 kg)

If we add the same 100 PS to this engine as BMW M did for the 435i, we would get 350 PS. That is more power than a 235i but more than 80 kg weight loss.

Whether the M2 gets an I4 or an I6, its power will be the same, somewhere between 340-380 PS; But with an I4 it would be between 80-100 kg lighter. Now this weight loss in a about 80 kg lighter chassis (F22 vs. F32) and the M2 would be about 100-150 kg lighter than an M4.

So, ~350 PS M2 with I4 weighing >1400 kg or with I6 weighing <1500 kg?


If BMW really focuses on light weight, the M2 can come in at 1400 kg, knowing BMW, I'd bet on 1450 kg. With I6, they won't get below 1500 kg.

Compared with M4:
435 PS M4 I6 @ 1572 kg = 3.61 kg/PS

Worst case scenario:
350 PS M2 I4 @ 1450 kg = 4.14 kg/PS
360 PS M2 I6 @ 1500 kg = 4.17 kg/PS

Best case scenario:
360 PS M2 I4 @ 1400 kg = 3.89 kg/PS
380 PS M2 I6 @ 1500 kg = 3.95 kg/PS

Unless...
420 PS M2 I6 @ 1500 kg = 3.57 kg/PS

...the I4 is the always the better engine.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Levi

So, ~350 PS M2 with I4 weighing >1400 kg or with I6 weighing <1500 kg?

haha quite an analysis, man!

i'd gladly consider a heavier car with an I-6 over a lighter car with an I-4. I don't race the nurburgring during my 120 miles of daily driving......i'm just trying to have a good time!

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

haha quite an analysis, man!

i'd gladly consider a heavier car with an I-6 over a lighter car with an I-4. I don't race the nurburgring during my 120 miles of daily driving......i'm just trying to have a good time!

Well, you have choice then: M235i or M4.

[IZAGLO]

The M2 had BIG BIG shoes to follow after the 1M and M235i...IMO whatever engine they put in the M2 it will as fast as either of those and will be amazing if it looks like any of the renders...As much as i liked my 135i... (and the 135is and the 1M)...i am betting BMW will make the M2 even nicer....can't wait as this will be my next car. Unless they offer it without a 6/mt..LOL..even BMW does not have large enough balls to do that??? or do they...

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Levi

Well, you have choice then: M235i or M4.

First option isn't that special and 2nd option is getting really expensive. You did a good review in your previous post but as the S20 will probably have 450nm or less. Which will fall short of the torque a derated S55 could have. I expect around 520-540nm for the derated S55. For day to day driving and montain road I don't think the extra weight will be such an issue.