[Aronis]

When is the first M3 Engine Transplant to an M2 going to show up? Find a wrecked M3/M4 and take the engine. Should be an easy transplant considering many other such engine swaps have been done on many cars for years. They you can have that monster with a stock s55 engine!

Mike

[skiparock]

Originally Posted by Aronis

When is the first M3 Engine Transplant to an M2 going to show up? Find a wrecked M3/M4 and take the engine. Should be an easy transplant considering many other such engine swaps have been done on many cars for years. They you can have that monster with a stock s55 engine!

Mike

I've seen on eBay and elsewhere the used s55 motor for 15k

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by Artemis

2. Sneaky with statistics: Cayman GT4 fuel tank: 55-litre stock - 64-litre as a no cost option. No impact on boot space. Needless to say that most GT4's got the optional 64 liter fuel tank. 997.2 RS: 67-litre stock - 90-litre no cost option. Wondering why Porsche does this ? Answer: because curb weight measurement in the EU is based on the fuel tank being filled to 90% of its capacity; using a smaller tank allows Porsche to shave some extra weight off the official weight on the official spec sheet.

Perhaps. Seems misleading to me though. How big is the tank in the m2? It's crap, like 14 gal, now that saves weight at huge expense. The stock RS tank is 17.7 gallons!!! The larger tank actually lets you drive on the track with a 23.8 gallon tank. Further, Porsche is brilliant enough to offer the extended range tanks on most of its GT cars like the GT3.
BMW has saved weight with these ridiculously tiny gas tanks. Stupidest thing ever. I forgot about this from when I had my e92 m3 - a v8 with another 14 gal tank! In my limited m2 ownership I've already found it's pretty easy to average about 12 mpg as well.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by skiparock

I've seen on eBay and elsewhere the used n55 motor for 15k

The M3/M4 have S55 engines. Do you know how much they're going for ?

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by Aronis

When is the first M3 Engine Transplant to an M2 going to show up? Find a wrecked M3/M4 and take the engine. Should be an easy transplant considering many other such engine swaps have been done on many cars for years. They you can have that monster with a stock s55 engine!

Mike

A Swiss shop did it. A fast, crappy sounding m2.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by ryem3

.......... I forgot about this from when I had my e92 m3 - a v8 with another 14 gal tank!

Your E92 M3 car had a 16.6 gallon gas tank. I'm not sure how you could have missed that.

In any case, you may want to consider correcting your rant.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The M3/M4 have S55 engines. Do you know how much they're going for ?

Cash is king

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Your E92 M3 car had a 16.6 gallon gas tank. I'm not sure how you could have missed that.

In any case, you may want to consider correcting your rant.

Correction noted. Rest of the rant totally valid. If you had one, you'd know that the gas light would come on at 1/4 tank, often less than 150 miles. Was a commonly irritating point with those cars. Also, it was debated whether or not the statistic included the reserve. I thought that was including a 2 gallon reserve, making the effective tank 14.6 gal. Challenge me if you will, I don't remember it well enough.

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Cash is king

More is better.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Aronis

More is better.

Absolutely

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Rest of the rant totally valid.

I agree, rants are often valid and, maybe, even useful. Except those which are repeated to the point of being tiresome. Which is the case for the M2 gas tank capacity.

That rant began the day the official car specs were published on this forum, October 12, 2015, revealing a 13.7 US gallon fuel capacity. Lots of rants have followed. Almost as many as on the subject of the rear view mirror on the car.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Yup:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/50197617/BMWM2-CSL
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1381490

It is, but all we know is that we want that thing to hit the streets... If only BMW stepped over their business antics of building every car for profits and see what is happening in the market with special edition models (e.g. GT4, 911R, etc) then they could build such a thing.

MR

[VR-Tech]

Originally Posted by Ne1man35

seems sick but why even detune it? why not just put a full blown s55 in it? that would really make it a better car then the m3/m4. I guess BMW only cares about retaining sales in all M models and not making the absolute best driving machine (m2 with full S55)

You answered your own question

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by MR.

It is, but all we know is that we want that thing to hit the streets... If only BMW stepped over their business antics of building every car for profits and see what is happening in the market with special edition models (e.g. GT4, 911R, etc) then they could build such a thing.

MR

This is all I really want. Just build me this. I'd even live without back seats for this car.

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

This is all I really want. Just build me this. I'd even live without back seats for this car.

Not going to happen most likely as it would be blown away by an equivalent GT4, with its chassis and probably (even compared with a modified S55) engine in a whole other league. And if you really don't need rear seats and at a simmilar price, why would you really chose the CSL? Collector exclusivity? "Racer" image? lol

As long as BMW M continues to follow the route of marketing and compromise in the core conception, there will be no future for the true enthousiast...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by flyaway

Not going to happen most likely as it would be blown away by an equivalent GT4, with its chassis and probably (even compared with a modified S55) engine in a whole other league. And if you really don't need rear seats and at a simmilar price, why would you really chose the CSL? Collector exclusivity? "Racer" image? lol

As long as BMW M continues to follow the route of marketing and compromise in the core conception, there will be no future for the true enthousiast...

# BECAUSE TRACK CAR

The M4 GTS is way too big. BMW absolutely should bring an M2 GTS to market. They would likely sell through faster than the M4 GTS.

Make 1000 and send 400 or more to the US.

[flyaway]

And the M2 is way too heavy. They might shave off 100 ? kg but you still can't turn a pig into a competitive track car when there are lighter, bespoke chassis, more involving alternatives at probably the same (ridiculous for what BMW is offering these days in that segment) price or cheaper.

Let's be honest, the normal M2 is hardly a real sport car, luckily with a few assets: the most involving in the actual BMW line up, acceptable value in most Europe markets (probably good value in the US), 4 seats, mostly non interesting direct competition, one of the last of a dying bread, etc. But nothing more, nothing exceptional and very little extra potential unfortunately. And this is the most interesting car made by BMW actually... besides the FWD 2 GC of course

[quikM2]

Originally Posted by flyaway

And the M2 is way too heavy. They might shave off 100 ? kg but you still can't turn a pig into a competitive track car when there are lighter, bespoke chassis, more involving alternatives at probably the same (ridiculous for what BMW is offering these days in that segment) price or cheaper.

Let's be honest, the normal M2 is hardly a real sport car, luckily with a few assets: the most involving in the actual BMW line up, acceptable value in most Europe markets (probably good value in the US), 4 seats, mostly non interesting direct competition, one of the last of a dying bread, etc. But nothing more, nothing exceptional and very little extra potential unfortunately. And this is the most interesting car made by BMW actually... besides the FWD 2 GC of course

"The normal M2 is hardly a real sports car"...

As usual a completely subjective statement. What does that even mean? What do you call a real sports car? a gt3rs? I mean honestly

[medphysdave]

There is no perfect DD/track car without compromising somewhere. Most want a fun, capable car that they can push on the street for some excitement. A few will actually do some HPDE events.

If you don't get to the point during an HPDE that you think it would be a good idea to have a roll cage and 5pt harness. Then you aren't driving your car remotely close to us limit. You're still comfortable enough that you haven't contemplated your mortality.

I completely understand those wanting an actual track car with appropriate safety equipment, and not just a fast car.

[RBNetEngr]

It's interesting that the M2 is getting slammed for being too heavy and not a great track day car.

Have you seen this out on the track?

https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/to...5i-racing.html

Granted, it's not an M2, and it's gutted and built as a race car, but it has less power than the M2, and it also has the 8 speed automatic transmission, not a 7 speed DCT or 6 speed manual. And it's tearing up the competition in its' class, winning the class in 2016.

For those who are putting the M2 down, have you actually driven one on the track?

-rb

[godzilla-1]

Your post has no relevance Rbnet. The road car is the road car and a race car is a race car. The only similarity is it is a 2 series. For example a bog standard e46 m3 is a crap track car but loose some weight and throw some quality bits at it and it is a great track car. The m2 is similar in a way, it's overweight and short on feeling but this can again be sorted with the right bits removed/added.
So a csl version of the M2 in my opinion will be a nicely sorted car just like the 1M